Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wrong Kind of Stone Age


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The result was   Nomination withdrawn. LibStar (talk) 09:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Wrong Kind of Stone Age

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fails WP:BAND. this Australian band existed from 83 to 91. not all coverage may be found online but there is nothing in gnews. google search reveals directory listings rather than indepth article. the last paragraph of this article goes into the career of an individual band member after the band ceased working. LibStar (talk) 03:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep : not sure if I'm meant to post here or the Talk page. but I think this band is notable for the time it existed. I'll try find some more articles - I'm away from my books & sydney libraries until mid-june unfortunately though. as you mention, google's probably not going to have much on them, though the punk archives do mention the band. I think it meets WP:BAND item 6 Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles the article mentions that Andy Rantzen and Andrew Londsdale were members also - they are well respected in Australian electronic music & experimental communities - I think this fulfills WP:BAND.item 6.
 * also, I think it meets WP:BAND item 5 too. Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of whom are notable). I found an article in "Experimental Music: Audio Explorations in Australia" book edited By Gail Priest with an article from Shannon O'Neill who calls the Cosmic Conspiracy Productions label—that WKoSA were released on in 1989—"a significant label". I think this meets 'one of the more important indie labels mentioned in WP:BAND item 5. (I added this article/book as a reference - the specific chapter is on google books - Andy Rantzen and Andy Londsdale are also mentioned (briefly) in this chapter.


 * I'll start with fixing the formatting of the references, and look for the books mentioned (if not too late by then). also, I've asked around to some other music people, so hopefully I might get some more info soon. thanks Kathodonnell (talk) 14:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your efforts here but it does not meet WP:BAND.item 6, as notable means having an actual WP article. this band does not have 2 members with articles. LibStar (talk) 04:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Technically, the band does not need to have two (or more) members with Wikipedia articles, it only has to have two (or more) members who would be considered notable by Wikipedia's standards (ie if the articles were created, they would survive AfD). The articles do not have to exist. Jenks24 (talk) 06:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks for your reply, could you point me to where it says being notable means you have to have a WP article for WP:BAND. I've been looking on Wikipedia:Notability music and can't see where this is mentioned (+ it seems a bit circular to me, if you can't make an article until one already exists - I thought the idea was that it's ok to include topics that other people have written about & deem important). it seems to be talking about having other (secondary sources) publications written about the topic. I mentioned one book which has written about the members, can find more. also, in any case, Andy Rantzen does have a WP article and so does Andy (Andrew) Londsdale / Browning Mummery. I can search for the other members tonight. thanks Kathodonnell (talk) 05:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * this is also a page for another of Andy Rantzen's later bands, Itch-E and Scratch-E - they were on Volition Records label - one of Australia's earliest dance labels (previously it catered for other music styles) - ran for around a decade. this band had some commercial success, won an Aria (Aus music award) (which makes them notable for WP:MUSIC as I understand it Kathodonnell (talk) 05:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


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 * OK thanks very much. I've asked around. and found the name of the Sydney street press that may have featured them (it's in the State Library of NSW) so I'll go and look at that when I return home. also they were written about in a couple of books so just chasing that up too. Kathodonnell (talk) 01:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep -satisfies WP:MUSICBIO crtieria & is being suitable referenced by Kathodonnell. Dan arndt (talk) 03:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Another notable member, besides Rantzen, is Chris Abrahams (per here). Band is mentioned in Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop (in 'Box of Fish' entry) with the group compiled on Aberrant Records release Flowers from the Dustbin (1983). Article needs work but should not be deleted.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep -as per WP:MUSICBIO Doctorhawkes (talk) 08:13, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
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