Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wu Yongning


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The keep argument that the subject was famous before his death is not borne out by the current article sources, which are exclusively coverage generated by his demise. No prejudice against re-creation with sources (Chinese sources would be fine, if reliable) that demonstrate his previous notoriety, which would effectively rebut the WP:ONEEVENT deletion arguments.  A  Train talk 12:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Wu Yongning

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WP:ONEEVENT Ymblanter (talk) 20:28, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:10, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:10, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. J947 Public (talk) 23:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to use this page, so I hope this entry is okay. I'm not related to Wu Yongning, I only created this article because it was an opportunity to create a new Wikipedia article, and the subject seemed worthy.  His death attracted the interest of The Washington Post, Time Magazine, USA Today, and many others.  I think that with the additions of future editors, it will be a perfectly good Wikipedia article.Cellodont (talk) 21:31, 12 December 2017 (UTC)cellodont
 * Update.... I'm looking for any original content posted by this guy himself. Everything I've found on youtube is tribute-content generated after his death, but nothing from before, including his many exploits.  I'm feeling unsure as to the comparison I've drawn between him and Alain Robert and Alex Honnold... He seems notable to me for being unafraid of heights, but I'm not seeing anything that confirms that he was actually a great climber.  According to the legend, there should be tons of videos of him doing spiderman-like climbs up sheer building faces, but I have found none... would hate to author a fake legend on a guy who rode the elevator to the top and snapped a few neat-o selfies, then fell off one day.  Cellodont (talk) 00:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)cellodont
 * His videos are all on Weibo, . What we need to find here is coverage in newspapers before his death so he can be worthy of inclusion. J947 Public (talk) 01:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the polite conversation, J947... I looked on Weibo and didn't find his channel due to don't speak/read chinese, but I did see a cut-together of his career highlights, and from what I saw, he is not a free solo climber, he's an elevator-rider and ladder climber. SO, I will change the article... Uggh... my first wikipedia article, and I'm not even interested in the guy.  Well, I think he deserves a wikipedia page as much as fred figglehorn, but I'm not going to fight hard for it.Cellodont (talk) 03:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)cellodont
 * This is his Weibo account if you are interested: https://weibo.com/727398786 --106.37.222.107 (talk) 06:05, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment If you are looking for Chinese sources:

There's definitely enough for GNG but most deal with his death. Timmyshin (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Thank you Timmyshin for the help; I looked at one of the links you provided, but I'm at work and the browser's translate function seems to be disabled, so I can't read anything at the link, will have to wait. I agree with you and J947Public that news coverage PRIOR to his death would more certainly credential him as worthy of a (English?) Wikipedia article, and I have a feeling that there probably is such coverage, although I'm not sure that Chinese media are/were free to write anything other than condemnations of his exploits.  That said, I disagree that news coverage prior to his death is absolutely necessary.  The fact that his death was covered so widely is its own validation.  Gotta go, thanks for your contributions.  Cellodont (talk) 13:58, 13 December 2017 (UTC)Cellodont
 * There's some Chinese coverage from before his death e.g. (from Wuhan)  (from Changsha), but his real name was not identified in these reports. Essentially, reporters saw his videos online and contacted local police, legal professionals and building managements on their opinions because he himself never responded to their inquiries. Timmyshin (talk) 21:14, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - his death was reported worldwide (Google news returns a whopping 700,000 results for his name, in English alone). It was one of the most viewed articles on both BBC and South China Morning Post, not to mention domestic Chinese media. If it proves to be WP:ONEEVENT, then the article should be renamed to Death of Wu Yongning, not deleted. -Zanhe (talk) 23:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

why you want to delete this article, everyone talking about all around world

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment He passes GNG. Wikipedia goes like "Passes GNG, however WP:OTHER NOTABILITY GUIDELINE says no article". In this case, it is WP:ONEVENT that says that, clearly. So, if moved to Death of Wu Yongning, because that is what the event was, then we look at WP:EVENTCRITERIA. It requires "enduring historical significance" or "significant lasting effect" or "notable if widespread impact"? Nope. It also says "Routine...news events...including...deaths..."shock" news...stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories,"...whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time...are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance..." and that says to me Death of Wu Yongning is not notable. Counter that argument and I'll "keep", otherwise I'll "delete". Thoughts? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 04:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 *  Keep or redirect - Keep, or redirect to Urban_exploration. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Jax 0677, keep on what grounds? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:10, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 *  Reply -, I am indifferent between keep and redirect, so long as the article history remains. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:04, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ! dave  11:49, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep this youtuber was famous for his stunts long before his death he has received international coverage from reliable sources for an extended period of time. This is not run of the mill. Valoem talk contrib 04:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Typical one-event article, as one can see from the fact that all references in the article are from the same time. The assertion above that he "has received international coverage from reliable sources for an extended period of time" is not borne out by any references in the article.  Sandstein   10:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


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