Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/X-COM: UFO Defense (Russian novel)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. WP:V is core policy; if the existence of a novel cannot be verified, it has no place in Wikipedia. The "keep" comments do not address this problem and are discounted in this closure.  Sandstein  05:59, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

X-COM: UFO Defense (Russian novel)

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Notability for this Russian-only novel is quite weak. Remurmur (talk) 09:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  --  pablo hablo. 10:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. It is, yes. What ways have you used to check whether the article can be improved, and do any come to mind that we could still try? Have you contacted Russian-speakers on the project? --Kiz o r  22:16, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - The fact that it is Russian is not grounds for deletion. That said, someone who can read Russian might want to check this link. I can't tell which sites are reliable. SharkD (talk) 08:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not the fact that it's Russian that's the problem; it's that it's a novelization, which are rather non-notable by default. For consideration, note that we have no articles for the eight StarCraft novels (they were merged into StarCraft (series)).--Remurmur (talk) 09:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Being a novelization also does not make something non-notable "by default". Please reread WP:RS. SharkD (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

WP:IDONTKNOWIT is not grounds for deletion. Vodello (talk) 23:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW ( Talk ) 23:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per weak rationale. Nominator's responses have proven that no research was done on the novelization, and
 * Because there's no research to do. I can't find anything that's not Wikipedia-derived from web searches and the "novel" was written by an internet-based Russian fan fiction writer. I don't even think the blasted thing was ever published.--Remurmur (talk) 10:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Merge with UFO:Enemy Unknown, or with X-COM. And delete all the plot/differences from the game minutiae, it's overly detailed and non-notable. To address comments above: the notability of this novel is not established within the article, and it therefore fails WP:N - and more importantly, WP:BK, which asks for a significantly higher standard of notability.  The information in the article might, however, be of interest to those researching the specific game the novel is based on or the franchise as a whole and therefore may have a place on those pre-existing pages. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I can find nothing resembling a reliable source for this, WP:V isn't satisfied let alone WP:N. No prejudice against reinstatement if it can be sources, but I can't support a merge as there's no sources to verify it, it's not clear if this is even an ordinary novel or a work of fan fiction, if it's the latter then there would be zero need to mention it unless it was notable. Someoneanother 01:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: The fact that it is Russian is not grounds for deletion. Ret.Prof (talk) 21:45, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete on the grounds of verifiability. ISBN? Publisher? Vladimir Vasilyev is a fan fiction writer, so was this perhaps self-published? The bulk of the article, a comparison between the story and the game, appears to be original research. Find a reliable citation, and perhaps the novel can be mentioned in the UFO: Enemy Unknown article itself. Marasmusine (talk) 11:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.