Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XRCO Award


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) buffbills7701 12:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

XRCO Award

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Awards within the porn industry sourced only to XRCO (X-Rated Critics Organization, the organisation that awards them), thus failing the general notability guidelines about having received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Thomas.W  talk to me  12:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete Even though the article sources are blocked on my network it is obvious that they aren't 3rd party and show no proof of notability.--Jeffrd10 (talk) 13:04, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I suspect that at least some of the websites now referenced on the page in question here are "blocked on your network" due to your apparent underage status my young friend. :) Guy1890 (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep You're kidding me right? A simple Google search demonstrates that this is indeed a well-known and significant award cermony. WP:Notability states under the "Article content does not determine notability" section: "Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. If the subject has not been covered outside of Wikipedia, no amount of improvements to the Wikipedia content will suddenly make the subject notable. Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability. You should have tried PROD instead of an AfD to give me more time to edit it. I agree that the article is poorly written, but it can be improved and I'll begin working on it now. Rebecca1990 (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Give you more time? You're kidding me right? The article has been around for more than seven years and still has no sources... Thomas.W   talk to me  14:05, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I have only been editing on WP for about a year, not seven, but now that you've brought this article's sourcing to my attention I will begin working on it. Rebecca1990 (talk) 14:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed you added a source to the article, but it seems to be some sort of press release about an upcoming event, and was published in a trade magazine. WP:GNG says that mention in independent sources presumes notability, but doesn't guarantee it. In my experience it takes multiple mentions in mainstream media, that is not pure trade publications, for establishing notability. Thomas.W   talk to me  15:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added several sources so far, not just one, and I'm not done yet. You'll know when I'm finished because I'll remove the "under construction" template from the article once I'm done. Rebecca1990 (talk) 15:38, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Comment: XRCO Awards is a WP:SPINOFF of X-Rated Critics Organization because of WP:TOOBIG. Morbidthoughts (talk) 01:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It may be a content fork but not because the other article being too big, since X-Rated Critics Organization is a very short article, only ~4KB. Thomas.W   talk to me  09:01, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Does this mean that you'd prefer to merge the page in question here to the XRCO main page? Note: The two pages combined would currently be at least 48KB in size, and the XRCO Award page is only going to continue to grow in size as time goes on. Guy1890 (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - The XRCO Award is to the Adult industry what the Golden Globe Award (and other "not as famous as the Oscars") are to Hollywood. This is a ludicrous attempt to undermine all of the pornography related articles on the site. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Note: The article in question here has been heavily edited at this point, not that AfD should be used for cleanup at all. There are some more inline citations needed in this article now, but almost all of the needed info for those citations are now listed in the "External links" section of the article.
 * The XRCO Awards are one of the most major & well-known adult film awards in the USA. Who knows how many other Wikipedia articles link to the XRCO Award Wikipedia page at this late date, but I'm sure that it's a very large number. These awards (and many notations on who exactly won a bunch of the specific awards from several past award ceremonies) have been mentioned in at least 5 different books, the Los Angeles Times, the The Philadelphia Inquirer, and a few of the relevant trade magazines for the adult industry (like AVN & XBIZ), which would have no real reason to cover other adult film award ceremoies except their clear relevance to the adult industry. The XRCO Awards have also been around for almost 30 years now, unlike some of the other adult award ceremonies.
 * How can one be deemed to likely be notable if one has been voted into the XRCO Hall of Fame (under the recently-revised PORNBIO standard) and then say, at the same time, that the XRCO Awards themselves aren't notable?
 * In any event, see the last time that someone tried to delete a major adult film award ceremony. I'm sorry, but this is just not going to fly. Guy1890 (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep - Agree completely with Scalhotrod, Rebecca1990 and Guy1890. Sure the article itself is weak, but so are a lot of others on Wikipedia and eventually people work on them and improve them. I've been collecting info on XRCO Awards the last few months myself and hope to work on that page in the future, but there are several other pages I'm in the middle of right now and prefer to complete that first. But there's no doubt that while there are a lot of meaningless adult film awards, the XRCOs aren't one of them. Scalhotrod said it best: The AVNs and XRCOs are the industry's equivalents to the Oscars and the Golden Globes. (And actually, I think they warrant an individual page for each year's awards, just like the Oscars, Golden Globes and AVNs.) Pumik9 (talk) 07:17, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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