Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/X X (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Davewild (talk) 19:07, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

X X (band)

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Article does not appear to meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG Ormr2014 (talk) 22:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If at all, merge delete as News and browser only found some results, nothing at all significant or notable. Other searches found nothing else. SwisterTwister   talk  04:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to John D Morton. Trying to google "X__X", failing, and concluding they're not notable isn't really a conclusive argument (WP:GOOGLEHITS is only half of it; it shows ignorance of how search engines work with non-alphabetic characters as well as of how the band used its name). From a legalistic point of view it meets WP:BAND #6 (Morton and Fier) and it is also subject of a lengthy New York Times article which carries slightly more weight than your typical source (coverage in Blurt, Lakewood Observer, and the cited by Jon Savage who's a very distinguished writer on punk). On the other hand, a very short-lived band with little in the way of releases might be better combined with the article on its principal member. There's some other online coverage of John D Morton (often referred to as John Morton) and his ventures in addition to the cited; plus this is a 1970s band so there is likely to be more in newspaper and magazine archives. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Currently in the process of getting this formerly neglected page back in action. The band has been current and actively playing shows in the past year or so and has a new album announced for vinyl release on Smog Veil Records this year. They are easily more relevant than tons of other bands / pages / etc. on Wiki. Starting as usual, from vinyl collectors to music/art writers continuously getting the word out to more mainstream press happening post- archival release and reunion, their music continues to become more and more known, being highly regarded as the 1st post- electric eels music to be released, on noted punk label Drome. I will continue to make sure that sources are cited, up to standards, etc. as i edit. It should not be merged to Morton's page or anywhere else either as the other players, past and present are all highly relevant in the indie/punk underground music scenes of Ohio and beyond since the 70's to now. Eventually they should each get their own pages: Andrew Klimeyk, (brother of Jamie Klimek / Mirrors, ex- hubby of Charlotte Pressler, member of Red Dark Sweet, Tender Buttons (alongside members of Bush Tetras, and tons of other notable acts) Jim Ellis, published Cle Magazine, played w/ Dave E (electric eels) in Jazz Destroyers and/or Cool Marriage Counselors. Craig Bell is or was a member of these bands: Mirrors / Rocket From The Tombs / Saucers / The Down-Fi / The Gizmos / and more, in addition to running well known punk/wave label Gustav Records after leaving OH for CT. Dave E and Mike Weldon (Mirrors / Psychotronic Video Magazine) also played w/ the group, which i'll make note of in ref to the archival Ektro Records LP that came out and they both appear on. The original two Drome 45s of X_____X also regularly fetch upwards of $100 or more if you'd like to check http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=drome+full+of+&thumbs=&currsel=&sortord=&x=0&y=0 or http://collectorsfrenzy.com/search?q=full+of+drome&search-button= for a few examples. It's possible that a ton of the info about these bands / artists appears in print from years past and hasn't necessarily hit the young internet yet, but it would be doing Wikipedia a great disservice to delete or merge this band's page out of existence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Green Guts (talk • contribs) 16:30, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Please view WP:BAND and cross reference with Identifying reliable sources. The band in this article does not meet the criteria as outlined in WP:BAND. "Actively playing shows" and having a new album does not necessarily constitute notability.  Ormr2014 | Talk


 * This particular NYT article reads like a memoir and not a news article and as such holds the same weight as a personal blog post.

As for your assertion that "Trying to google "X__X", failing...shows ignorance of how search engines work" is presumptuous on your part and assumes that's what I did... As a CMO with over 15 years experience doing SEO, web development and marketing, I am well aware of how search engines work. As the saying goes, "there is more than one way to skin a cat" and searches for "No wave bands in 1978", "John D Morton", and so on don't really substantially demonstrate notability for the band.  Ormr2014 | Talk
 * Keep as passing WP:BAND #6, subject to possible merge per Colapeninsula's suggestion. The band name is also spelled "Ex-Blank-Ex" and coverage exists in AllMusic ; The Plain Dealer ; The New York Times (I disagree with Ormr2014's contention that this is merely a "personal blog"); CMJ ; Chicago Reader . --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:10, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  20:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The New York Times article reads like a personal memoir ("One day in 1980, I reached a milestone in a Jewish boy’s journey into manhood: spending my bar mitzvah money on punk rock records. I was searching the racks at a record store for “Adult Books,” the debut single by the Los Angeles band X, and the only 45 that remotely fit the bill featured a couple of white X’s on the front cover, separated by a dash, above a photo of the bare backside of a woman bound at the ankles."). The article is not a news article, nor does it imply notability. It is nothing more than an editorial of the author's memories and opinions about how "great" the band is.  Ormr2014 | Talk
 * An article in one of the world's most prestigious newspapers saying that a band is great is surely an indicator of notability. Colapeninsula (talk) 16:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The opening paragraph of the article, and a few more words in the following two paragraphs, describe the reporter's personal recollection of the band. The balance of this sixteen-paragraph article is written and presented as New York Times music news reporting, is certainly not a blog entry, and stands as evidence of notability, along with the other sources noted above. --Arxiloxos (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 15:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't see any coverage that would establish notability. NickCT (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - I agree that significant coverage exists. —Мандичка YO 😜 23:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.