Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xabasha Wacle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WP:V is not negotiable. The only "keep" opinion that discusses actual sources is qualified as weak and indicates the considerable uncertainty surrounding this name.  Sandstein  18:18, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Xabasha Wacle

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Yet another Somali non-place. I couldn't even get this one to show up on Geonames, and there are no coordinates, and Google seems to report nothing but mirrors of our article. Mangoe (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


 * per below: I can verify "Xawaal Shaawacle" through geonames and aerial mapping, and if nothing else, it should have an article. That said, "Xabasha Wacle" is far enough from this phonetically as to leave me doubting, especially since the one source seems to think they are different places. However if others are convinced, I would be OK with redirecting this name to the name we can find from geonames. Mangoe (talk) 02:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm very rusty, but at the risk of straying further into OR, it seems reasonable: b > β (/b/ weakens to [β] intervocalically), VlʃV > VʃV (no direct confirmation however "One unusual change which can occur is /lt/ to [ʃ]"), and "c" is the Somali spelling of ʕ, which can sound like a glottal stop between vowels("a'a"). Looks like "Xawaal whatever" is the standard form for Somali placenames, so whatever (whatever) works. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 08:51, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 23:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 23:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


 * So with this one, the title seems to mean "Bull". But a random instagram user seems to have visited the place saying it is known as "Habaasha Wa'lei", or "Xabaasha Cawl" both of which is equally unverifiable, and probably based on reading this article. Prince of Thieves (talk) 13:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep I am equally wary of the article, however I believe this is a byproduct of the lack of standardisation of the language, resulting in different transliterations, resulting in a perception of fictitiousness. hHowever, perception is not necessarily reality. 92.9.152.17 (talk) 21:58, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Seems to be a legit district/town of Somalia - the article really needs someone familiar with Somalian resources to add more to the article Deathlibrarian (talk) 22:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:20, 25 February 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   23:14, 4 March 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Reopened and relisted per User talk:Joe Roe
 * Weak keep: Map and Geodata. Habaasha Wa'ale mentioned in 2002 on page 15, with a population of approximately 1000 (possibly including other villages?). "Xabasha Waale" mentioned in 2007 on page 89 with a population of 180 and 30 households. "Xabasha" mentioned in 2014 on p38. As "Xabasha Wacle" appears to be in a very few sources such as . Rename with lots of redirects for the various transliterations? Perhaps merge to Las Khorey District? ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 02:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. This doesn't sound like it even meets WP:V, which is a bright-line requirement. Hydronium cites two sources, one which says, approximately 1000 population, the other says, 30-180 households.  Unless we're talking 10-person households, at least one of those is wrong.  Or, maybe 10 person households really are the norm there.  But, none of this sounds very WP:V-ish to me.  Better to omit something than to make things up because they sound good.  -- RoySmith (talk) 01:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually the second source says that the place has a population of 180 over 30 households (which would be 6 per household). The fact that the estimates vary by a factor of 5 isn't encouraging.  Hut 8.5  22:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I mis-read that. I read it as some number of households between 30 and 180, but it's really 30 households and 180 people.  -- RoySmith (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –&#8239;Joe (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Further to my original comment which still stands, I am !voting a clear delete, citing complete lack of verifiability. There have been several weak keep !votes, however none of these editors have identified or clearly used any reliable source(s) which confirm the existence of this place. It is possible that it exists, and original research conducted here has found a few mentions in very unreliable sources, with no clear attribution and conflicting facts. In my view this article fails the core policy requirement of verifiability, i.e WP:V. Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:47, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NGEO says This guideline specifically excludes maps and census tables from consideration when establishing topic notability, because these sources often establish little except the existence of the subject. That's all we've got here: dots on maps, entries in databases which are basically the same thing and listings in census-like surveys. And we have to use a fair bit of original research to get that far.  Hut 8.5  22:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And we know from then last ten+ AfD's on these places that the databases were filled in by incompetent unknowns, since a significant number of dots don't equate to actual reality in the slightest, and others are hopelessly mislabeled. Prince of Thieves (talk) 23:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


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