Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xen Nightz


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The result was   delete. Wizardman 03:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Xen Nightz

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NN artist, page seems mainly to exist as a vehicle to attack Lil Wayne. Youtube.com links, in the absence of independent sources do not help a subject pass WP:MUSIC. Movingboxes (talk) 23:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no, that's not what my intention was when creating this article. This artist came to my attention by word-of-mouth on the internet. I (and I expect others) was looking for more information on him. I noticed he had no wikipedia page so I decided I may as well create one. He does have over 1 million views on youtube so he has notability but two are attacks against another artist. Should I delete those links? Chinatary (talk) 23:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I see how it may appear that way but I believe the way he became notable was from attacking Lil Wayne. So the article doesn't exist to attack Lil Wayne but that may be the actual reason why he is notable. Again, I have more research to do on the subject but the fact of the matter remains that the article is, indeed, about a subject of notability and therefore, by my understanding, should not be deleted. Though my understanding may be flawed because I am new to wikipedia, I believe that this artist should have an article. Chinatary (talk) 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment That's kind of strange, as this seems to indicate that you are Xen Nightz. Movingboxes (talk) 23:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, that was an interesting response. A bit unexpected. But no, that remix of "Chain Hang Low" was how I first came across Xen Nightz. I read a comment on a hip hop website somewhere that mentioned an animated remix of Jibbs' "Chain Hang Low" that was supposed to be "hilarious". A quick google showed various websites hosting the video. I went on youtube, watched it, asked the uploader (assuming he was Xen Nightz) about him self and if he had any other tracks. He claimed that he wasn't, pointed me to Xen Nightz' myspace and told me to google his name. After a while, I'm here creating this article. Chinatary (talk) 23:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, or do you mean his name? Like I said, I'm trying to research more. I found his Facebook address which has his name as Zak Malik. I asked his top friends on his MySpace if they knew his real name. After going back and fourth I was finally told that his whole name is Zakariya(h) Adam Abdul-Malik. I added him as a friend on facebook which revealed his age to be 23 or 25 (can't remember right now). I didn't question him on it as I have yet to talk to him personally but some of his friends on myspace claim that he is 25. Some say 24. Some say they don't know. So I deleted his age because I have no proof of that yet. Chinatary (talk) 23:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment All this would be original research and is no basis for an article (see WP:OR). Movingboxes (talk) 23:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, his name and age are original research but that isn't the article is it?Chinatary (talk) 23:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't these things then only need one of the "citation needed" comments like this article: []?Chinatary (talk) 00:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. None of the sources in the article satisfies the requirements of WP:RS, as none of them are independent third-party coverage. Interesting also that the only real notability assertion in the article (1 million downloads) is also the only element in it that is unsourced. Then again, such a figure can be artificially inflated by having a bot visit the site over and over. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 00:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I know that bots can increase views/plays on some websites but everything about this guy adds up. From the various uploaders of his videos to the extensive amount of pages on google his name brings up. But ok, I see your point. I just don't understand how an article with no sources can be ok but not this one. Interesting. But I will still do more research to find out more about this artist.

Thanks Chinatary (talk) 00:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - complete lack of independent sources --T-rex 00:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I was just reading about Wikipedia on, Wikipedia. I realized, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia that "attempts to collect and summarize all human knowledge in every major language." So why do you guys keep deleting articles? Not just mine, I mean other people's articles about other people. I don't get it. For example, I was searching for a rapper named Gillie Da Kid to see if he had any ties with Xen Nightz. To my surprise, the article about him has been deleted. Not only deleted but locked from starting a new one. Yet there are articles on Wikipedia that link to and reference him.

I understand you guys have a hard job to do but if even one person is looking for information about a particular subject, why delete these subjects from Wikipedia? Seems like it's going directly against what you guys are trying to create.

My article lacks independent sources but I'm still trying to find those. I mean, why delete all the work someone has done on an article instead of leaving it up to be improved upon by others? If I was looking for this person then that means others are looking for this person. And if they are like me and reference Wikipedia for most things...this all just kind of seems backward. I think I'm doing a pretty good job gathering what little information that is out there and putting it in one spot where someone else in the world can easily find it. Isn't that the whole point of Wikipedia?

But, like everything in this world, it's all up to the government (in this case, the fine admins and mods of Wikipedia). I'm not saying you guys don't do a good job, because you do. I'm just saying that it'd be nice if we could expand this a little more to help out folks looking for info on the obscure and hard to find subjects out there :)

Cheers all! Chinatary (talk) 02:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. While we can all agree he exists, there are no reliable sources to show any sort of notability. As Blanchardb pointed out, his only claim to fame is unsourced.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 03:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete fails notability (via WP:MUSIC and WP:N) as well as the verifiability criteria. I'm all for allowing time to improve references but, articles should make a reasonable attempt to include at least one reliable 3rd party source while they are in the process of being created. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails to meet the requirement at WP:NMG, i.e. two or more album releases on a major label. Stifle (talk) 14:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep. I've cleaned up the article a bit, made it a stub and noted that citations are needed. Still gathering sources. Chinatary (talk) 07:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Myspace is not a valid source.-- Freewayguy What's up? 23:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC) Comment Despite that changes to the article itself the subject still fails all the same criteria he did on the 21st. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


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