Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xena: Warrior Princess in popular culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep per WP:HEY. Great job in rescuing a potential article. Bearian (talk) 20:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Xena: Warrior Princess in popular culture

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

Extremely inappropriate, pure fancruft and WP:Trivia that has no notability on its own. Collectonian (talk) 21:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete in popular culture This is nothing but a big laundry list of mostly trivial mentions of Xena. The only "sources" are individual episodes of whatever show happened to mention her. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No deleteCan stopping, has nothing illegal in Article Xena: Warrior Princess in popular culture, there is this type of page to other series because I can not stay? This is not just! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brazil 23 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge some of this to the main Xena article. I can understand Brazil 23's complaint that it's not fair that other series seem to have this type of page, but this type of "in popular culture" article is discouraged.  As X-lb. says, it's mostly a list of occasions where Xena was mentioned on another television show.  If you want a real article about Xena in popular culture, write about how she inspired girls of all ages and was popular with viewers regardless of gender.  Mandsford (talk) 02:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * To note: a much smaller version of this was part of the Xena article and removed because it was still just a trivia list and no one wanted to actually do the discussion of how the series affected the popular discussion. Collectonian (talk) 02:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that ther are other similarly trivial "this guy said pop culture thing" articles is not an excuse to keep this article. Otto4711 (talk) 02:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete Keep good work Addhoc, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles et al.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 03:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - indiscriminate listing and directory of things that have no relationship whatsoever to each other beyond happening to reference Xena in some way. "This one time on TV somebody said Xena" does not form th basis of an encyclopedic article. Otto4711 (talk) 02:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Maybe you should actually read WP:TRIVIA and see what it says, since it very explicitly does not include criteria for removal, as you seem to believe it does. EDIT Thank you. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 16:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers for pointing that out.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 00:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind word; I have added your to my list of nice Wikipedians! By the way, I like the little check mark next to the keep!  Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 03:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions.   -- --  pb30 < talk > 14:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep this appropriate, discriminate, and encyclopedic article. The topic has attracted serious scholarly attention.  For example, see Kim Tolley, "Xena, Warrior Princess, or Judith, Sexual Warrior? The Search for a Liberating Image of Women's Power in Popular Culture" History of Education Quarterly, Vol. 39, No. 3 (Autumn, 1999), pp. 337-342 and Tough Girls: Women Warriors and Wonder Women in Popular Culture by Sherrie Inness.  The way the article is presented should simply be improved upon based on these sources and others, but the topic of Xena in popular culture from an academic standpoint is certainly a worthy one to be developed.  Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 16:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - If you remove all of the trivia, and write a decent scholarly paragraph based on those citations, then I'll consider changing my opinion. Addhoc (talk) 00:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I started to do so, but my brother is here now, so I'll have to resume the effort in a few hours. Feel free to see if you can do anything with the sources until I come back.  Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 00:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - if you want to write a decent scholarly paragraph, I still think this should be deleted, but the paragraph, with the sources, would be welcome in the main article. Collectonian (talk) 00:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My brother could only stay for a few minutes. Actually, it looks like Addhoc has already taken that initiative.  Kudos to him!  Anyway, another source that we can possibly use for further revisions is Michelle Erica Green's "Xenademia: The Warrior Princess Goes To College", which seems to place the topic in some context as well.  I'm not sure what to make of this one though.  Another one that I'll see what I can do with is Frustrating Female Heroism: Mixed Messages in Xena, Nikita, and Buffy. By: MAGOULICK, MARY. Journal of Popular Culture, Oct2006, Vol. 39 Issue 5, p729-755, 27p; DOI: 10.1111/j. Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 01:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. Transwiki'd, poorly. -LtNOWIS (talk) 23:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Adequately sourced and demonstrably notable.  If it weren't for the phrase in popular culture in the title this would be a speedy keep.  Durova Charge! 02:09, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, looks well-sourced to me. I can't see any policies it violates. --Pixelface (talk) 02:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Another barely-disguised WP:IDONTLIKEIT nomination.   WP:TRIVIA does not in any way advocate the deletion of "popular culture" lists or articles, and in fact explicitly excludes them when focused, organized, and sourced.  It's bad enough to wikilawyer policy, but it's utterly audacious to pretend that policy supports what you're saying when it doesn't. --Father Goose (talk) 02:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You really need to work on WP:CIVILITY. And, FYI, the article has been dramatically changed since the nomination. Collectonian (talk) 02:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest a toned-down approach here? The page is tagged for rescue and the rescue crew did a very good job.  Durova Charge! 03:53, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the strenuousness of my comments; I will redact portions of it. However, given that the improvements you mention have not prompted you to withdraw the nomination, my points remain the same.--Father Goose (talk) 04:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really...please note above that I suggested that with the improvements, it could be better served by being merged into the main article, as I do not feel it meets WP:N on its own. Collectonian (talk) 04:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep The fact that there is a dwarf planet named after Xena makes it worth keeping. I don't think this article is "trivial" in the least. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 02:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.   —Collectonian (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep in its current form. The previous version was correctly tagged for deletion, but after the rewrite, it actually looks like an encyclopedia article--and a decent one too. Now, if you will allow me to mount my soabox.... WP:TRIVIA is complete bullshit.  It's muddled, watered-down, contradictory and confusing and was based on a very weak consensus at best.  Whoever labeled this poorly formulated mish-mash of deletionist and inclusionist suggestions a "guideline" was joking, I'm sure.  --The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 05:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep or redirect Since it has been completely rewritten (is there anything left from the former version)? I see it is basically a copy (or original?) of Xena: Warrior Princess, so I'd also strongly consider redirecting there. – sgeureka t•c 07:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect back to Xena: Warrior Princess; whomever is trying to "rescue" this title by copy-pasting; note the refs with "Retrieved on" dates (oldid) from years before this article was created. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what's being described here.--Father Goose (talk) 12:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The version on this article nominated looks nothing like the current version; it the current version does, however, look an awful lot like a section of Xena: Warrior Princess i.e. copy-pasted, including the refs with old dates. I've opined delete and redirect which I know is quite unusual; in this case the contrib history that would be lost actually exists in the redirect target I suggest. In short, this was a bogus "rescue" — such gaming of the system should not be rewarded with a keep. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you are assuming bad faith. I did the removal of the trivia, plus copy and paste. I haven't 'voted' keep, in fact I suggested delete. I'm not part of the WP:RESCUE project. In my humble opinion, the title isn't a plausible redirect, and I don't begin to understand why you think I should care about keeping the contribution history. What I did was merge the influence section of Xena: Warrior Princess with this article, and then merged the resulting text into Xena in order to improve the article. Addhoc (talk) 13:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't look at the details such as who did what, and I didn't see the copy in the Xena article. I agree that the title is not a good title for a redirect (are there many inbound links?). The history I was referring to was history, in this article, that I didn't see as needing keeping as it existed in whichever article it was copied from. What I'm now concerned about is that this is all being covered three times now and I feel once is plenty.How about once in one of the other two, and call it good? Please excuse any impression of bad faith. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Very fair point. I've summarized the "Influence" sections in Xena and Xena: Warrior Princess and added a pointer in each to Xena: Warrior Princess in popular culture.  I've shuttled the Sexuality section to the Xena (character) article only.  And I've restored, sorted, and copyedited the list of popular references from the other two articles that were recently clipped, as they are appropriate for a stand-alone IPC article.--Father Goose (talk) 02:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - way more notable (with indep refs) than many pop culture articles. Nice small influence bit on original article and bigger on daughter article. Nice save Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Le Grande Roi's excellent efforts. McJeff (talk) 03:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind word; I have added your to my list of nice Wikipedians! Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 06:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'm stuck on another project for the next day or so, but a quick scan of Google scholar gave stacks of useful references - enough so that I'd probably enjoy helping develop this article if it is survives AfD. Xena had a large impact on popular culture (in much the same way that Buffy did after it), and there is a wealth of academic material to draw upon. - Bilby (talk) 08:35, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.