Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xie Bao


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:10, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Xie Bao

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A proposed deletion of this article was contested with the suggestion that if this article is deleted, all other Water Margin character articles should also be deleted. I think it quite possible that some Water Margin characters meet our notability guidelines while others do not, so I recommend that these character articles be addressed on a case-by-case basis. A search for reliable, secondary sources for Xie Bao reveals an insufficient amount of significant coverage, so this article fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines for fictional characters. Neelix (talk) 13:39, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It will soon be evident as to why this is a premature course of action (in the main, because you are questioning the notability of the main characters of a novel that has been read by billions upon billions of Chinese), but such is Wikipedia: the requirement of provable notability trumps linguistic systemic biases; the earnestness of superficial lots jolts the rest into counteracting foisted counterproductivity. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:58, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Can we get someone else familiar with Chinese literature--I am not--to chime in on this? Do we have anyone who can add non-English sources if needed? Regardless, if the fictional work is notable, then the characters should probably be merged either to the work or a character list if the character spans multiple works. Jclemens (talk) 03:18, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep The Water Margin characters are up there with Robin Hood and Jesse James as archetypes of heroic outlaws. There are famously 108 of them - the nine dozen heroes - and we have summary level coverage of this at 108 Stars of Destiny.  There is no place for deletion here as this is just a matter of ordinary editing - organising this material for the convenience of our readership so that they can find and read it easily. Warden (talk) 11:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete as nominator - Without a significant amount of reliable, secondary coverage of this specific character, the summary level coverage that could be included on 108 Stars of Destiny is all that Wikipedia's notability guidelines allow. Neelix (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep as per Warden's comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warren Dew (talk • contribs) 10:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It does not appear to me that Warden's comments have addressed the concerns raised in the nomination. Neelix (talk) 16:08, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Warden's comments are an excellent rationale: the characters are important. And even if a particular character is not notable, then there should still be a merge to a list, so deletion is inappropriate.  DGG ( talk ) 01:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.