Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xu Song


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 21:34, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Xu Song

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General notability concerns per WP:MUSICBIO. The subject of this bio does not appear to have met any of the criteria as far as I can determine. RA (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment A search of Google News archives for his name and the name of his second CD yieled 22 results, and using the name of his third CD yielded 68 results in the archive and 23 results in a standard recent news search. Many of these appear to be significant coverage about the subject, and I wouldn't like to assert that none of these sources are reliable.--Pontificalibus (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — The-Pope (talk) 14:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  — The-Pope (talk) 14:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Google searches yielded 182,000 results (many of which are YouTube clips); however, there are no reliable external articles writing explicitly about the subject. Sp33dyphil  "Ad astra" 23:04, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You checked them all? --Pontificalibus (talk) 07:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

93 articles on news.google.com search
 * Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk • contribs) 11:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

http://www.google.com.hk/search?hl=zh-CN&gl=cn&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=%22%E8%AE%B8%E5%B5%A9%22

5.7 million google hits for Chinese name.

http://www.google.com.hk/search?q=%22%E8%AE%B8%E5%B5%A9%22&hl=zh-CN&newwindow=1&safe=strict&gl=cn&prmd=ivnso&ei=-YZ0ToayJIWYiAf3rPzADQ&start=10&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=358

Clipping from Hainan Daily News http://bbs.vaecn.com/thread-677608-1-1.html

China Daily: http://ws.chinadaily.com.cn/2011/0906/2425.shtml

Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 11:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 *  Delete Userfy created as yet another test article by the many sockpuppets (or meatpuppets) with these similar NNU names, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=NNU&namespace=3 If these are University students creating similar accounts then their teacher or campus ambassador needs to take some responsibility for control. Fæ (talk) 15:33, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Opinion changed to userfy (unless improved to address MUSICBIO) based on later explanation that these are student accounts and we now know who to contact about general problems. Cheers Fæ (talk) 05:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)


 * CommentIndeed, these NNU accounts are my 130+ students at Nanjing Normal University. They are English or CSL majors, and as part of a writing course I assigned them the creation of a useful Wikipedia article, according to Wikipedia's citation, notability, NPOV etc. guidelines. It is a genuine good faith enterprise to allow them to contribute to Wikipedia's body of knowledge and help them improve their writing and interact with an independent system which will approve, improve or delete their work according to its quality. I am not aware of any Wikipedia policy on such a project, and would be grateful for any guidance others can provide. I commented on this particular article because it does see to me that Chinese-language searches of 许嵩 easily demonstrates notability, as per the evidence adduced. Perhaps I should have let this debate take its course without comment. Obviously this article--and many others created my students--needs a lot of work, which will be ongoing throughout term. As I say, comments and corrections welcome. Apologies for any inconvenience.
 * Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 01:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I now see this portal, of which I was unaware. I will try to improve our project according to these guidelines. Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep this and the two sources given by Njnu-ban-xueshenghao above are sufficient to meet the general notability guideline. There are also plenty more articles out there as I demonstrated above. We certainly don't userfy articles because they were created by students --Pontificalibus  (talk) 08:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's correct. My userfy opinion is based on the WP:MUSICBIO criteria rather than who the original creator was. Examining the additional source you have put forward about a autograph session appears to add nothing extra that would address the criteria. Fæ (talk) 08:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * CommentI think Notability can be established without too much difficulty, but the student really ought to be doing that herself. I have no problem with the article being userfied while she improves and sources it. Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 23:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep/improve perfect opportunity to counter systematic bias. Chinese sources are enaugh to establish notability. Agathoclea (talk) 12:28, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, could you highlight which of the sources were sufficient to address the criteria? There is no objection here to using non-English sources, the only concern is addressing MUSICBIO. Fæ (talk) 12:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I leave the chinese sources to the chinese editors, but the English chatter on the celebrety gossip sites suggests to me that there is enaugh to satisfy GNG but obviously MUSICBIO will be a nice addon. My point being that we have a large systematic bias toward English subjects as sourcing is difficult. At the moment we have a dedicated group of Chinese students whose edits are watched by a good number of established editors as well as their teacher who are writing about subjects which if they where in the USA could be sourced without a problem. These articles are growing at the moment as these students learn to source things our way but that will need a few more days or even weeks until they get it perfect. Just saw an edit today where someone fixed one of those articles of a mistake that I made in my very first aricle. Dejavu. Agathoclea (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Forum chatter on gossip sites does not satisfy MUSICBIO or RS and an article created by a student is not a reason to ignore policy. Userfication is a perfectly friendly step to take and considering that we let things ride for 7 days while we talk about taking any possible action, the grace time is surely sufficient for someone interested to find one reliable source to address the notability policy? --Fæ (talk) 15:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Currently the twelfth-most downloaded singer from Baidu (which is probably the largest source of MP3s). I don't know if this chart is official enough, but it's where much of China gets its music. Note Lady Gaga at 13.
 * http://list.mp3.baidu.com/top/top200.html Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, baidu.com is a unambiguous failure as a source or a suitable external link. Fæ (talk) 15:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

http://article.pchome.net/content-1391291.html
 * A selection of articles from music/pop culture websites on Xu Song.

http://game.china.com/online/tlbb3/news/11105007/20110916/16769361.html

http://music.yule.sohu.com/20110914/n319312652.shtml

http://game.zol.com.cn/249/2499104.html

http://game.donews.com/news/201109/611601.shtm

Njnu-ban-xueshenghao (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Rcsprinter  (talk)  17:55, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

 Keep Regional notability established in the most populous country in the world. I suspect we sound foolish suggesting that our lack of foreknowledge, is a requisite for notability. Fame, perhaps, notability, overreaching. My76Strat (talk) 14:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.