Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xu Yuanquan


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The result was speedy keep WP:SK. The nominator withdrew, and no delete !votes are present. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 20:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Xu Yuanquan

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A 1 sentence stub biography that doesn't tell us if the subject is alive/dead, without any sort of sourcing is not appropriate. Would have tagged with BLPPROD to force a sourcing (since the presumption is that a Biographical subject is living) but had to settle for PROD based on the fact that the article was created before the BLPPROD regime went into effect. Prodded on Unreferenced stub biography, but was deprodded by citing deprod; if he was a general then he is notable. Deprod did not address concern so now I'm calling the question as the article is so far below the minimum level for a Biography that we must delete until sources can materialize. I specifically note that a Unsourced template has been on this page since January 2008. Surely a source could have been found in over 5 years. Hasteur (talk) 17:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 17:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I've added a reference and his dates. He died in 1960. Took me all of sixty seconds to find this information (WP:BEFORE). And as a general he meets the criteria of WP:SOLDIER. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You only used a reference listing barest minimum information about start and stop of their career and some events in it
 * You didn't cite anyting, only slapped a "biography" link at the bottom
 * WP:BEFORE is a guideline and not a rule.
 * Only looked for a way to get it to pass via WP:SOLDIER, completely ignoring the prose above which reads
 * In general, an individual is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources. In particular, individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify if they...
 * Ergo, all you've done is throw a canister of die into the water to muddy the issue. I still stand by my assertion that there is not enough content here to validly assert that the individual is notable in addition to not having enough sources. Hasteur (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. In addition to passing WP:SOLDIER, references:, , , . In addition, an alternative romanisation of his name is Hsu Yuan-chuan: , , , . Clear failure of WP:BEFORE, remember that non-Western generals are something we need more articles about, not less. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, Before is only a guideline. Now why is it that I have to threaten deletion for this improvement to occur? Hasteur (talk) 20:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG is also "only a guideline". I might point out that AfD is not for cleanup, "No effort is being made" is not a reason to nominate for deletion, and if there is such a great concern over it needing improvement, doing it yourself can be fun. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * But Notability is a core rule, not really a guideline. I only happened on the article when I was strolling randomly through articles and happened on such a bad article.  I know I don't have the sources or the expertise to fix it, so griping at me to fix it is not productive, however stimulating you to fix it is productive as annother article has been saved.  How else should we have handled this?  By letting the Biography lie dormant and sub standard for annother 5 years? Hasteur (talk) 20:20, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I withdraw this AfD. The purpose I had in mind of stimulating improvement to the article or deletion has been satisfied. Hasteur (talk) 20:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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