Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xuande Emperor


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The result was   Speedy keep per WP:SNOW. The nominator has not explained how an emperor of China could fail to be considered notable. Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Xuande Emperor

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little known figure in Chinese history. He fails the guidelines for WP:Notability Ihopeididwell (talk) 02:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly rewrite The article looks good, and I'm kinda confused how it it fails on notability; he looks to be an influential, albeit not very well know, important person in Chinese history. Leonard^Bloom (talk) 02:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I have to echo Leonard Bloom on this -- notability seems fairly obvious in the article. Ecoleetage (talk) 02:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as notable, per Leonard and Ecoleetage above. -FrankTobia (talk) 02:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.   -- --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 02:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.   -- --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 02:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per WP:SNOW. There is no way this is non notable. Undeath (talk) 03:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong/Speedy/Snowball Keep As it says at WP:PEOPLE, the basic notability criteria people is this: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]" Not only do multiple (and I mean very multiple) independent sources exist, but sufficient sources are mentioned in the article. And on top of that, I very seriously doubt that any Emperor of China is going to be so "little known" as to not be the subject of a great deal of study and published material (Believe me, historians love this sort of thing. They make a career out of it). Calgary (talk) 03:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep A real emperor up for deletion as not notable? WP:POLITICIAN says that "people who have held international, national or first-level sub-national political office, including members of a legislature and judges" are notable, and I think emperors qualify under this criterion :-)  Nyttend (talk) 05:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"People who have held international, national or first-level sub-national political office, including members of a legislature and judges [are generally notable]."
 * Keep I can't imagine an emperor of China not being notable. Maxamegalon2000 05:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep The correct section under WP:BIO would be WP:BIO, which explicitly states that


 * A Chinese emperor of 10 years definitely meets that criteria. I'm also suspecting that this is a bad-faith nomination, seeing that this nomination is the only edit this user has, and that it's almost obviously keep per the quote above. Taking these 2 facts into consideration, I'm going for speedy keep. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 05:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


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