Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yōko Satomi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. One "keep" comment from a now-blocked sockpuppet was discounted and has been struck. Of the remaining keep comments, they all seem to believe sources establishing notability must exist, but unfortunately nobody has been able to actually produce them, so the argument for deletion is the stronger one. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:03, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Yōko Satomi

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A BLP that lacks sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail; fails WP:BASIC. Sourcing is in passing, primary, and / or WP:SPIP. Does not meet WP:ENT as the award listed ("Best actress at the Pink Grand Prix") is based on a fan poll. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  M h hossein   talk 07:01, 7 March 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sheldybett (talk) 08:40, 14 March 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * To comment, she has won the two major pink film fan awards, the Pink Grand Prix for Best Actress, for her work in two separate and arguably notable films, since the films have alright coverage. This makes it is easy to argue she fits the bill for both #1 and #2 of WP:ENT. They are "has had significant roles in multiple notable films," and "has a large fan base or a significant 'cult' following." That said, to meet WP:GNG, the English coverage on her is absolutely awful. I could find essentially nothing, searching for both her common names. I can't help but think she must have some fantastic Japanese coverage somewhere, and I feel uneasy recommending delete unless that avenue of research has been somewhat explored by an editor with such a knack. Concerning reputable Japanese media, I'm only familiar with a few national newspapers. MidwestSalamander (talk) 12:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 19:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * delete usual gng fail. Spartaz Humbug! 22:24, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Nom's comment: being a recipient of niche, fan-based awards does not meet WP:ENT. In the absence of significant coverage, the page also fails WP:BASIC. --K.e.coffman (talk) 03:44, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. She won Japan's highest award for porn (e.g. pink film) as Best Actress, twice (which has its own WP-article). It is hard to believe that such an award winner would be un-notable? She is a Japanese-only film actress (never appeared in Western film), and therefore all her refs are in Japanese (which I can't search). Britishfinance (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In other words a BLP that fails the GNG and all you have is assertion and tired depreciated appeals to fake notability. Spartaz Humbug! 19:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * tired depreciated appeals. That is kind of harsh there. Her major awards (i.e. Best Actress), for Japan's biggest porn awards, seems like the proverbial "elephant in the room", that is being dismissed at this AfD, because it gets in the way of "can't find any en-RS".  My understanding of AfD, is that we are "obliged" to look for foreign language RS for foreign language cases?  I am not sure that anybody above has done this for Japanese script.  A Best Actress for a major western porn award (e.g. AVN Award), would have RS for a GNG (winners of lesser AVN Awards may not).  She could have lots of Japanese-RS? I am not convinced that we are trying to get the right outcome here and give this BLP a proper hearing? Somebody went to the trouble of making this BLP, which is well constructed and seems referenced; we owe them that their work is fairly reviewed.  Do we have any Japanese-Editors who can check her Jap-RS? Britishfinance (talk) 19:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Further participation is needed to develop a clear consensus following additional discussion; also, some additional time is reasonable to permit a more effective search of sources in the subject's native language media.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bd2412  T 20:06, 29 March 2019 (UTC) * Keep passes ANYBIO major contribution in her field, and meets GNG through major award. Gristleking (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, if no higher-level sources are found and added to the article prior to the closure of this discussion. bd2412  T 16:35, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Assertions of major contributions for passing WP:ANYBIO or WP:ENT are not attributed to reliable sources. GNG needs significant coverage from reliable secondary sources, which are not in evidence here.  Also, a "major award" without reliable sources can't be counted as significant. • Gene93k (talk) 01:39, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete awards ≠ notability. General notability obviously isn’t there. Trillfendi (talk) 23:31, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ENT. Porn awards without reliable source support don't establish notability. • Gene93k (talk) 01:42, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to be popular Japanese porn star with awards.  ~Leny  Tee55~  07:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - If she is so notable why is not there an article about her in Japanese wiki?Guilherme Burn (talk) 23:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


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