Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Y. L. Chin

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was no consensus, so the article defaults to "keep" Tagged for cleanup. Joyous 19:11, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

Y. L. Chin
This guy has got a lot of letters after his name. But it's still vanity. --Zarquon 06:15, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, this guy is the head of department and only professor in the CS department at the best university in Hong Kong (and one of the best in Asia). While the current article should be deleted, this person is probably sufficiently notable to have an article written about him.  (Disclaimer: I have friends who work in the HKU CS department, though I have never met Prof. Chin).--Robert Merkel 06:27, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete.  Vanity.  RoySmith 18:25, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, vanity CV. Wyss 03:26, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete vanity. --Deathphoenix 04:15, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Now stubified. Original seems to be a copyvio from the HKU site, but this guy seems quite a notable figure. Andrewa 13:45, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Still seems like pretty much just an average college professor. Didn't we already VfD this guy? Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  15:09, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Also "Taikoo Professor of Engineering" - a professor holding an endowed chair at a uni of the importance of HKU (and for language namespace purists, it teaches in English) is well above average. Keep. Samaritan 15:58, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep He's a full professor, at a major university. Why exactly is it that Professors need to be up to Steven Hawking levels of fame to get articles, while characters that appear for ten seconds in a badly animated Japanese cartoon get an article just like that? Average Earthman 16:49, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Because then we'd have to keep articles on schools, and then where would we be? Huh? Huh? - David Gerard 17:53, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Obvious keep - David Gerard 17:53, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: an edowed professor at a major university, who has been published in various academic journals, is certainly as encyclopedic as things like Darth Revan. --Rje 18:06, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and allow for organic growth. This is a valid stub on a noteworthy individual.  GRider\talk 18:41, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * "Full professor", "endowed chair", "major university" - none are sufficient for me to assume automatic notability. We would not keep a business person with equivalent seniority.  Delete unless further evidence of achievements are presented.  To answer Average Earthman's concern, I agree that we set the bar too low for many topics from popular culture.  However, we have to take each VfD decision on a case-by-case basis and do the best we can.  We don't need every academic to reach the level of Steven Hawking but they ought to reach the level of, say, Michelson.  Rossami (talk) 06:58, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Michelson won a Nobel Prize. That's definitely too high a bar to set for inclusion. Average Earthman 21:29, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Perhaps.  But merely being an endowed chair is still too low for me.  Rossami (talk)
 * If it was any old university, yes you may be right, but I don't think we're talking about any old university here. The University of Hong Kong was rated as one of the best 50 universities in the world by the Times Higher Education Supplement in 2004, and computer science is one of the areas that their website emphasises as one of their strengths. So this is a key player in a key world university. Average Earthman 17:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There's room for every endowed chair in the world. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:47, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless information about some noteworthiness is forthcoming. I agree with Rossami.  Academics are teachers and researchers.    They can be notable as either, or both.   A teacher can become notable through contributions to teaching methods or through being the teacher of other notable people, and perhaps in other ways.   A researcher/investigator can become notable for his discoveries, writings, and other notable people he has influenced.   In my opinion, an academic does not automatically inherit the notability of his school, even if he is a full professor, has an endowed chair, etc.  Given these things, there is a good chance he is notable, though.   Somebody should do their homework.  --BM 14:09, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * That's like suggesting a sportsman doesn't automatically inherit the notability of his team, so playing for Manchester United for ten years doesn't make someone worthy of an article. The fact that one of the best universities in the world has put him in charge of a large section of an important faculty does tend to suggest someone with more knowledge of these things than the average Wikipedian deems Prof Chin to be more than the average professor. Average Earthman 17:35, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. We have enough to justify a keep. I have added more info especially about his Governmentwork including on Hong kong airport. Still needs a cleanup. Capitalistroadster 06:33, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and cleanup. Potential bias: I've met the actual guy once or twice. --JuntungWu 10:59, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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