Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/YMCA Hamman Ranch


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mr.Z-man 23:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

YMCA Hamman Ranch

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This article fails WP's verifiability policy and policy on no original research. I have been able to find no reliable sources indicating anything other than that this place exists, and wikipedia is not a directory. I've asked the article creator to help find sources and he has not done so. This is a disputed prod. Karanacs (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: While I see that notability is an issue here, where do you draw the line to the other camps listed at the bottom of the page like YMCA Camp Pine Tree, Texas Lions Camp or even one of the more elaborate articles like Camp Olympia? Gunnar Hendrich (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I draw the line with reliable sources. If no independent reliable sources have been written about these places, then the wiki articles are not verifiable and are essentially original research, both violations of WP policy. If you are asking why I only nominated this article and not the rest, that is because I ran across this one by chance and was not actively looking for other, similar articles.  Karanacs (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wizardman  15:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:GNG. Regards, HaeB (talk) 15:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  JForget  23:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:GNG and WP:NOTDIR. Article asserts nothing that would be notable about the subject. We do not need a separate article about every summer camp in existence. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I dont think this deserves an article, but a redirect to the YMCA site (where a subsection on camps could be made might be appropriate) benjicharlton (talk) 07:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.