Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/YOUNG NIGGAZ IN THE NAVY


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. -- grm_wnr Esc  17:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

YOUNG NIGGAZ IN THE NAVY
Non-notable fiction, allegedly published by CafePress (a vanity publisher) but actually gets zero zero hits searching on cafepress.com ([www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/v0.1/search.aspx?source=searchBox&q=YOUNG+NIGGAZ+IN+THE+NAVY&x=22&y=5]) and zero Google hits so even that claim is questionable. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 17:59, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: There is a difference between vanity publishing and POD (print on demand publishing). Both are self-publishing and sufficient grounds for deletion, but people who work with a vanity publisher actually have to pay to have their book published wile there's also options that allow no upfront costs and give part of the profit to the corporation in question. When there's no upfront costs, it's not vanity publishing (technically) but the result remains vanity by Wikipedia terms. - Mgm|(talk) 19:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I inderstand what you're saying, but I think the term vanity press was coined before PoD was invented and, in the end, it's a difference that makes no difference: the publication is, in encyclopaedic terms, insignificant. But I'll use "self-published" in future. - Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 20:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-notable. The book appears to exist now [www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/v0.1/design_prod.aspx?q=young%20navy&p=annihilus.35793152&id=9274247&pNo=35793152&fpt=&opt=&c=&pageNo=1], but lack of notability is a sufficent ground for deletion anyway. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 18:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -Andrew 19:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Fire Star 19:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You all digust me. None of these books are being put down as advertisements. The books DO exist and they are Publish on Demand at Cafepress.com, if you had done a real search for the MOREMONEY front. And who decides what a lack of notability is in a site that is being sold as having conttributions from all regions of the world. If you want to suppress word of my books being spread, then go ahead. Yeah, they're not famous now, no one's ever heard of them, sure,but deleting this article will only be detrimentaing it ever becomig big. Publishing on Demand is a fairly new innovation and all these not book deserve note for that, if nothing else. And check out my books NUKE TALES FROM CVN 70 and AGAINST THE SUMMONER available at Amazon.com and Barnesandnoble.com. Yeah, you've probably never heard of them either, but their sales are actually pretty good for a nobody like myself.


 * So delete it if you want, but ultimately the Lion of the House of Judah will decide whether my books become famous are not, not a bunch of hypocrites like you all who want to delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.82.55.178 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 4 November 2005


 * "And who decides what a lack of notability is in a site that is being sold as having conttributions from all regions of the world." FYI, we, the Wikipedia editors, decide such things here at Articles for Deletion. --Fire Star 19:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * If "they're not famous now, no one's ever heard of them" as the person claiming to be th author says above, that pretty well proves that they are not notable. Wikipedia is not a venu for eritign about little known or unknown works in hopes that they will become famous. Taht is what blogs, homepages, and other such sites are for. Wikipedia is for writing about things already well know, or important or significant for soem other reason, so that people who whant to know maore about them can learn. The books may be wonderful, but if "no one's ever heard of them" they don't belong here. Delete DES (talk) 20:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. PJM 20:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. DJ Clayworth 21:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Del. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, first, foremost, and above all else. Encyclopedia articles are written in accordance with a number of principles that seek to preserve the integrity of the text; ours are embodied in WP:RULES. This article does not meet several important rules, foremost among them being the verifiability requirement. See also Articles for deletion/The Diary. encephalon  22:24, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, mostly. CafePress isn't a vanity press, it's a print on demand press.  The two aren't quite the same thing. --Carnildo 00:43, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, thanks to the nominator for taking my note on board. - Mgm|(talk) 10:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.