Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yael Kraus


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 03:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yael Kraus

 * – ( View AfD View log )

Article about a musician that is based on unreliable or simply incorrect references.
 * 1) Cabalaza Music Magazine cannot be verified to exist.
 * 2) There is no result found when searching the site of the Puerto Rico Daily Sun for this subject.
 * 3) There is no result when searching the site of The L Magazine for this subject.
 * 4) The discogs.com page appears to be about a different musician with this name, based on the fact that none of the listed records match the record listed here.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — Logan Talk Contributions 15:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  — Logan Talk Contributions 15:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — -- Cirt (talk) 17:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - per the reasons given by the nominator. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:41, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added sources (sorry, they're in Hebrew) that demonstrate that she released two albums, as required by WP:BAND. (The first album is a collaboration.) She also appears in MOOMA, the encyclopedia of Israeli music, which by itself indicates notability. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 06:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Comment Since I don't read Hebrew, can you please supply the names of the two albums, and the label on which they were released. WP:BAND calls for two albums on a major label, so that information will be important in deciding the outcome here.  I should note that the original sourcing issues that I mentioned above are still present; if this article is to be kept, it will need to be rewritten with valid sources, or scrubbed clean for lack of sources.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The titles of the albums are already in the article, but i added more sources. The first one was released through NMC Music, one of the largest labels in Israel and the second one through High Fidelity music, which released albums by the popular artists Assaf Amdursky and Knesiyat Hasekhel, and is going to release the new David Broza album. I'm not sure what to do about the other links that don't work, but all the info can be found in the links i added. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The article lists a single album, titled Boutique, apparently released on a label named "High Fidelity Records". A Google search for information about this album turns up lots of download sites, but no reliable sources.  There is no indication that "High Fidelity Records" is a major label by any standards.  It also lists a collaboration titled Busa released by NMC Music which is claimed to be "one of the largest labels in Israel" and yet does not have its own functioning website (see ).  A Google search for an album named "Busa" on "NMC" turns up nothing.  Admittedly, I'm searching in English; Hebrew sources might escape my searches.  I'm hoping another editor with a working knowledge of Hebrew can evaluate the sources that have been provided, and possible find more.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what your standards for a "major label" are, but Assaf Amdursky, Knesiyat Hasekhel and David Broza are among the biggest artists in Israel. You can see them listed in the catalog on the website; if you don't read Hebrew and don't believe me, you can find plenty of people who will confirm it at Category:User he.
 * NMC operates on the web on the website http://www.songs.co.il (see the NMC logo at the top). I updated the link at the article about the label. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 05:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: Article violates Wikipedia policy for Original Research WP:OR. Several citations do not exist or are unverifiable. Links to English "sources" go to websites' main pages and not an individual article. I also cannot verify that Cabalaza Music Magazine exists. Yael Kraus may be a real person making music, but she is not noteworthy for an English speaking audience. This page serves as nothing but promotion for the artist who is not internationally noteworthy Notability (people).MichaelJPierce (talk) 18:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I removed the citations about which everybody here is complaining, even though it's possible that they were valid at some point - maybe the information only appeared in the print version of the magazine and may it was removed from the website at some point. In any case, these problematic sources weren't used to verify anything important, and there are other reliable sources for verifying the important information. This artist released two albums on major labels (by Israeli standards), as required by WP:BAND, and was covered in multiple reliable sources, which are already cited in the article. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Keep: She's an up and coming performer in Israel, and I can confirm the Hebrew sources. --Sreifa (talk) 09:38, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment "Up and coming" is almost code for "not yet notable", but in this case, the sources (having been verified) are probably sufficient to confer notability. If the article is kept, it must be completely rewritten, citing actual existing sources, rather than the bogus sources that were used in the original version.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed the problematic links and now all the information in the article is based on reliable and verifiable sources. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:31, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.