Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yahya Arodaki


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The result was   delete. ⇌ Jake   Wartenberg  18:46, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Yahya Arodaki

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Not notable. Googling for just the name yields thousand of people called Yahya. Googling for "Yahya Arodaki" economist yields around 40 hits, all of which are either Wikipedia or copies or links to Wikipedia. I have also tried Google books, Google news and Google scholar, all to no avail. The corresponding article on the Arabic Wikipedia has been deleted (here's a translation of that), apparently several times. I have tried the Google searches using the name forms Yahya Arodgki and Yehia Arodgki that appear on that translation page as well as the form Yahya Arodaki -- all to no avail. --Stfg (talk) 14:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Don't Delete ,I'll Upload Important Pictures for him, The Sources not always important , also as I Stated , He is not Modern Person he is old ,he was born in 1926 and Died in 2009 , so you'll not find any good sources in english .GhiathArodaki (talk) 14:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can you provide references in other languages? This is a global encyclopedia and thus not needing any English sources. mabdul 15:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

http://www.neelwafurat.com/locate.aspx?mode=1&search=author1&entry=%ED%CD%ED%EC%20%DA%D1%E6%CF%DF%ED
 * Comment All Sources :

http://www.furat.com/?Prog=book&Page=authorinfo&aid=9121

http://www.neelwafurat.com/itempage.aspx?id=lbb75280-35975&search=books

http://www.neelwafurat.com/itempage.aspx?id=lbb34454-32688&search=books

http://4kitab.com/books/search/%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%89%20%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%83%D9%8A

http://orlabs.oclc.org/identities/lccn-nr97-20151

http://books.google.com.kw/books/about/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9_%D8%A7.html?id=Sj4ikgAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

http://www.iraqnla.org/opac/index.php?q=%22%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%83%D9%8A,%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%89%22&hl=ara

http://www.iraqnla.org/opac/index.php?q=%22%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%83%D9%8A,%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%89%22&hl=eng

http://mezzeh.damascusculture.org/index.php?page=Books&gallery_id=107&lang=ar&lang=ar

http://ecat.kfnl.gov.sa:88/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=V3435681F3N84.19487&profile=akfnl&page=7&group=0&term=%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A+-+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%A9&index=.SW&uindex=&aspect=advanced&menu=search&ri=1&source=172.16.17.75@!kfnl1256&1343568174765

http://hip.jopuls.org.jo/c/portal/layout?p_l_id=PUB.1016.1&p_p_id=search_WAR_fusion&p_p_action=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_pos=0&p_p_col_count=2&_search_WAR_fusion_action=navigate&_search_WAR_fusion_navigationData=search~%3D1~!AL~!1~!%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%89+%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%83%D9%8A

http://hip.jopuls.org.jo/c/portal/layout?p_l_id=PUB.1.1&p_p_id=search_WAR_fusion&p_p_action=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-1&p_p_col_pos=0&p_p_col_count=5&_search_WAR_fusion_action=navigate&_search_WAR_fusion_navigationData=search~%3D1~!AL~!1~!%D9%8A%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%89+%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%83%D9%8A

+ The Ones in the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GhiathArodaki (talk • contribs) 16:36, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:49, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment: To help evaluate the above, here is a summary of what the references cover:
 * The 6th link (orlabs.oclc.org) is a WorldCat page that links to five WorldCat entries for four books by Arudaki:
 * Arab common market (Publications of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism and National Guidance, 1970); 3 editions published in 1970 in Arabic and held by 28 libraries worldwide;
 * Modern Syrian economy (Ministry of Culture and National Guidance, 1972); in Arabic and held by 8 libraries worldwide;
 * Foreign Economic Relations of Israel (1st entry) (Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the research center; Kuwaiti Economists Association); 1 edition published in 1971 in Arabic and held by 8 libraries worldwide
 * Foreign Economic Relations of Israel (2nd entry); 2 editions published in 1971 in Arabic and held by 2 libraries worldwide;
 * Fear, Disease & Medication (1996); publisher unclear, but may be self-published; 1 edition published in 1996 in Arabic and held by 1 library worldwide.
 * The first four links are bookseller entries for these books. There are no reviews.
 * The 5th link (4kitab.com) is a search, but it gives hits for anyone called Yahya; I see no Arudaki there.
 * The 7th link is a Google Books listing of Foreign Economic Relations of Israel. There are no reviews.
 * mezzeh.damascusculture.org is a dead link.
 * ecat.kfnl.gov.sa is the King Fahd Natinal Library in Saudi Arabia. Google Translate rejects the link, so I can't tell you what's in it, though it looks like a library search.
 * The remaining four links are to libary searches. Two are to the Iraqi National Library and Archives and the other two are to university libraries. I have been unable to get any book listings to appear in them.
 * There is nothing about Arudaki's role in trade missions etc. I hope this helps. --Stfg (talk) 22:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I tried my best on the links searches but nothing because he is old as i stated, i have the pictures ready, also there are many sites like syria trade room don't write the history of itGhiathArodaki (talk) 04:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC) 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 14:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)




 * Delete: I believe the main problem with this article is that it cannot be verified from independent reliable secondary sources. BTW, I am adding here an interwiki link to an AfD on Arabic Wikipedia. The article there was deleted many times and re-created under different titles. --Abanima (talk) 19:35, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It was re-created under different titles, Because you always protect it in the wiki.GhiathArodaki (talk) 14:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Uhm so why not requesting unprotection and providing the stuff to fulfill the guidelines and the rules (means providing usable references)? mabdul 17:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Comment Photos were uploadedGhiathArodaki (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2013 (UTC) ar:ويكيبيديا:نقاش الحذف/يحيى عرودكي
 * Just curious: How do we know that he is really Yahya Arodaki? mabdul 17:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Comment What kind of proof that you want ? -ID

-Passport

-People Knows Him

etc... GhiathArodaki (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Even if we assume good faith and assume for a moment that this really is Yahya Arodaki -- so what? What we're being shown is: (a) YA looking on while someone else shakes hands with Makarios III; (b) YA one of five people (shown -- we don't know how many are not shown) sitting at a conference table appearing to read some documents; (c) YA having tea and cakes with four other men; and (d) YA shaking hands with another man while three others look on. Whose are these pictures? How can we tell whether they are anything more than a non-notable person who has met some bigwigs, as many non-notable people have? Have they been published anywhere? Were these meetings reported in newspapers? We are being asked to believe that "The Sources not always important" -- but they are, by policy. If these meetings were notable, they would have been reported in Arabic-language newspapers and probably written about by Arab historians in books and articles that could be accessed and understood by readers of the Arabic Wikipedia -- but this article has been created and deleted several times there. Why? We also have a wall of links to library listings and booksellers concerning books that are published by government agencies, not mainstream publishers, and no reviews have been shown. Is there any evidence of notability here at all? --Stfg (talk) 21:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * So what exactly do you want of sources ? ,

the photo a) he is making a meeting with Makarios III. b)this is the syrian delegation making a talk and he is the president of it, so he is reading one of the documents that it's important.

c)the four men, they are the soviet union delegation with the syrian delegation, making a meetings , you can see the flags in the middle so this is an official meeting, all the meetings include cakes and teas ,so it's not that problem if this picture include cakes and teas.

d)He is shaking hand with the president of soviet delegation, They accepted the conventions between the two countries.

So as you see old photos for an old person, the deal here, the word "OLD" so it's hard to find a newspaper talks about what happened, but these days all the newspaper talked about the meetings and reported that, you know, Arabian countries aren't that good in keeping sources, although , if they like the man , they keep him , if they don't , they will no keep him , that what happened for YA, he was a right man , in the right way , but they didn't like that , so they tried there best and they did to keep him away , that is mentioned in the article.

GhiathArodaki (talk) 06:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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