Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yair Garfias


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 14:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Yair Garfias

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This article is entirely self-sourced, and the only hits I get when I do a Google news archive search are a few Spanish-language sources whose veracity I am unsure of. If he really had an important role with all the musical groups his article lists, he would probably pass criterion #6 of Notability (music), but my suspicion is that some or all of this is a hoax. In particular, an anonymous editor keeps adding him to our article on The Young Veins as the bassist for that band, despite the fact that the band's own web sites list Andy Soukal in that role. And regardless of whether it is true, it fails Verifiability, one of our core policies. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment – I’m on the fence on this one. I was able to find several articles with regards to Mr. Garfias, as shown here .  Is this enough to establish notability?  Just not sure.  Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 18:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you miscopied the link; the search you link to has nothing to do with Garfias. But as I said in the nomination, it is possible to find Spanish-language stories stating that he was associated with Silverchair: see this search. The fact that there is no English language media saying the same thing about an English language musical group worries me, though, and the number of stories found by that search is small (11, compared with ~6500 for silverchair); it makes me suspicious that the newspapers have been copying hoax information from us and then we'll use them as sources for the same hoax information completing the circle. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - “…newspapers have been copying hoax information from us”. That is a bold statement to make for the coverage of a semi-notable individual.  I believe in conspiracies, but are you sure that the world-wide press would manufacture articles?  Thanks. ShoesssS Talk 22:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with conspiracies, just laziness. But, if he is so notable, why is press coverage of him so sparse? Why has the article had a comment on its talk page since March saying that the Silverchair association is a hoax? Why is his supposed association with The Young Veins not borne out on any non-Wikipedia web sites he doesn't control himself? A hoax here, lazily copied by a few journalists, seems the simplest explanation. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 19:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have left (neutrally worded, per WP:CANVASS) pointers to this deletion discussion on the talk pages for related articles such as Talk:Silverchair, Talk:The Young Veins, and Talk:Malese Jow. I hope that the editors of those articles, being more knowledgeable than I about their subjects, can shed some light on the question of whether the claims in this article are true. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. removed the AfD notice from the Yair Garfias article. I left a warning on the user page. I believe this is the same editor that is repeatedly replacing Andy Soukal's name by Garfias in The Young Veins. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Though members of two notable bands generally get an individual article, I do not think Garfias qualifies due to the conspicuous lack of reliable sources covering his membership in the Young Veins band. The information can/should be merged into the Silverchair article, of which he is undoubtedly a member, but not on the Young Veins article, which is still very much disputed. 5:40 (talk) 04:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * In what sense is he "undoubtedly a member" of Silverchair when the band's biography page doesn't mention him and this article only calls him a "collaborator"? —David Eppstein (talk) 04:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * An ex-member rather. One of the sources I read mentioned he'd quit Silverchair a while back. 5:40 (talk) 09:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator, fails WP:V. Additionally hoax and WP:BOLLOCKS, seems to be part of some ones extended hoax or project focused around the Overflow Crowds Band (OCB) along with Yair Garfias. For the fate of the OCB page on wikipedia see Articles for deletion/Overflow Crowds Band (was del). So far on the web I have found as part of this hoax (complied from real material from other web sources and fictional information), a couple of blogs, a YouTube Channel and the bands Myspace page (all free websites). The bands Myspace page is the most telling, band members with no association to the band beyond that web page (other than Yair Garfias) and upcoming show dates that do not match venue bookings (example 10 Jan 2010, Sandstone Amphitheater, Bonner Springs, Kansas - Sandstone is closed over winter). -- blue  520  14:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.