Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yamassee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Discussion to merge should take place at the article's talk page. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Yamassee

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This article is about a non-notable organization... The subject of the article is a cult that fell apart when it's leader was sent to prison... They did nothing notable as a group, and the only G-news hits for the group are mere mentions in stories about the leaders (another of their leaders was sued by the Justice Department)... Further discussion and reasoning can be found on the article's talk page... Appears to fail WP:ORG, WP:V, and WP:UNDUE (since the bulk of the article, as well as information online about it, are in regards to the previous leader's court case)... I would say WP:NOTINHERITED also, if an organization could qualify for that... I am not 100% sure on the outcome, but I suggest either deletion, redirect to Dwight York (previous leader), or redirect to Yamasee (notable Native American tribe)... Adolphus79 (talk) 04:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Dab Redirecting to either one means losing out on the information the other link could give. I think including both on the page is a reasonable compromise. - Mgm|(talk) 10:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge with Dwight York, as much of the information here would seem to fit in that article, and add a hatnote at the top of the article explaining the redirect and linking to the article on the Native American tribe.--Unscented (talk) 15:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep — the Yamassee group and York's Nuwaubians are occasionally-allied and somewhat-overlapping but distinct groups. A merge would not be appropriate for this reason. -— (talk) 17:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * according to all the references I found, they are the same group, and just changed their name after he went to jail... do you have any references that show them as seperate groups? - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 *  Delete and Merge with Nuwaubianism or Dwight York . Very very little reliable sourcing for this apparent splinter group from York's Nuwaubians. This articles contents could easily be accommodated by being included as a brief note in either of the previously mentioned article s . Deconstructhis (talk) 07:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge content to Nuwaubianism and turn it into a disambiguation page directing to Nuwaubianism and Yamasee. Earlier names of the Nuwaubian movement (Ansaaru Allah Community) already exist as redirects. The claims to be "Yamassee" started with York himself, and formed part of his trial defence (as a "native" Moor he was apparently not subject to US law). The relevant material should be added as part of the continuing saga of Nuwaubianism after York's incarceration. Paul B (talk) 14:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So far as I can tell, York did not start or invent the "Yamassee" group, but merely stepped in and appropriated it for a time, appointing himself chief and so forth when he was in his native-american phase. Today, though, the Nuwaubians and the Yamassee are certainly distinct, and so I think a merge with Nuwaubianism would be inadvisable. Perhaps a merge with Washitaw Nation would be more appropriate, as I think the Yamassee group began as a splinter group of the Washitaw Nation, and certainly the ideological and mythological ties are closer between those two groups than between either of them and the Nuwaubians. - — (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure where you're looking, but both MSNBC and the Macon Telegraph say it's the same group... York created "The United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors", and since he went to jail, the group has changed it's name to "The Yamassee Native Americans of the Creek Nation"... I keep reading that statement over and over... If the third party reliable sources think it's the same group, who are we to argue? Either way, this group is not notable enough to hold it's own article, and after reading the other !votes, I am leaning towards merge with Nuwaubianism or Dwight York article, and disambig this page... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You may be right that York took over a pre-existing, even more obscure, claim. That's another reason for turning it into a disambiguation page, including the Washitaw Nation in the dab, if there's evidence linking the Yamassee label to them. Paul B (talk) 17:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.