Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yang Meng


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The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Yang Meng

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Is this celloist sufficiently notable? To be honest, I don't know since that's not my field, but a Google search does not yield obvious notability. Delete unless notability shown. --Nlu (talk) 17:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment (I will note that while this should not be a reason for deletion or non-deletion, I found the article while preparing for the eventuality of writing an article on a son of Yang Xingmi with the same name.) --Nlu (talk) 17:17, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 *  Weak delete the article certainly claims notability, no doubt about that, but without reliable sources to confirm even the basic points we can't simply assume it as truth, especially on a BLP. Significantly, none of the 3 links given actually checks out: the NYT link is behind a paywall but appears to be a review od a NWS concert rather than an article on Meng, the Fellows page is a 404, and the third link doesn't seem to mention Yang Meng at all. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Upgrading to full delete based on possibility of hoax, as detailed below. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  22:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is a classic up and coming musician - the article's lead says it all, "gaining increasing renown". He's not there yet, and there's so little known about him that can be verified, that it would be speculation to assert that he will make it big. Bearian (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I did some digging around, and while there are mentions of Yang Meng here and there, there are also enough problems to raise significant doubts about the entry. I looked at the NWS site, and Yang Meng doesn't appear in the alumni section nor the current members. This may mean that they haven't updated it yet, or that they don't list all of the alumni, but it makes things trickier. Per Andrew Lenahan, above, he wasn't mentioned in the NYT article, and I managed to get the full version to check. The first Prokofiev International Competition, which Meng is listed as having won, is available here. The link to the list of competitors is broken, but it can be found in the Wayback Machine. The interesting bit is that it is a piano competition, not one that includes the cello, and the Chinese entrant that year was Tong Bo, not Yang Meng. Finally, a Yang Meng did compete in the 2000 American String Teachers' Association as a finalist, so that part seems accurate. However, Yang Meng was only a regional winner, so no notability can be attached to that. All up, there's a bit of a feel of a complex hoax here, with just enough valid material to make it feel real, combined with definitely false material (the first Prokofiev International Competition). It may not be a hoax, but even if it isn't there isn't enough to establish notability on the material that can be confirmed. - Bilby (talk) 00:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
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