Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yann Coatanlem


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The result was   delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yann Coatanlem

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Article is about a real person who really exists. However, he does not really seem to really qualify for a real Wikipedia article since he really doesn't seem to have really reliable sources which are really in-depth. Per the really good guidelines WP:N and WP:BIO, this article should probably be deleted. Jayron  32  19:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

This is not simply an employer bio. This is a public position which represents French Expatriates living in the United States. The founder and current Delegate for the UMP United States is Guy Wildenstein, patriarche of the Wildenstein Art Foundation, and supporter of President Sarkozy. Yann Coatanlem has been appointed Deputy Delegate (Delegue Adjoint en francais) and serves directly under Guy Wildenstein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YCoatanlem (talk • contribs) 19:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:BIO ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is supported by articles from the UMP United States Website (President Sarkozy's Party) and Columbia University and should not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YCoatanlem (talk • contribs)
 * None of those articles is written by a source independent from the subject. Lots of people have public biographies published by their employers, such sources are not considered independent or reliable enough to meet the standards for a Wikipedia article, see Notability for more information.  -- Jayron  32  19:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - does not show notability either in content or in the presence of third party sources. Notability of group is not inherited by its members.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  19:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No one is denying that any of that is true. What we need is independent sources for this information, and for any other information about them.  Other than the UMP or Columbia University itself, where could I go to read books and or biographical magazine articles about this person?  Also, if you are this person, you should not be writing Wikipedia articles about yourself, because of a conflict of interest.  Articles about you should be written by people who are not you, do not personally know you, and have no connection to you, your employer, or organizations you belong to or represent.  If you are NOT YCoatanlem, then you are impersonating him, and should not do that.  So which is it, are you trying to promote yourself at Wikipedia or are you impersonating another person?  -- Jayron  32  20:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And again do take note that notability is not inherited. Serving under someone notable does not automatically make someone notable as well. He has to independently meet the criteria for notability and you have to show that he does by providing enough reliable sources from independent parties.--  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  20:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Question: Why wouldn't an article published by Columbia University be considered a 3rd Party verification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.64.137 (talk) 20:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Keep - Yes, why wouldn't Columbia be considered an independent source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryank123 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

•Keep. Yes, it seems a simple google search of this individual shows that he is certainly noteworthy enough for a listing on Wikipedia. I see independent verification cited by Columbia, Tepper School of Business, iGlobal Forums, in addition to the UMP site and Citigroup materials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.64.137 (talk) 21:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Those sources do not give significant coverage; they show only that he was a speaker in some conferences; the bios they include are not independent because presumably they were provided by Coatanlem himself. Just what is it that he is supposed to be notable for? Speaking in economic conferences? The article should say what, preferably in the first paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TEB728 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - And, it appears that he is a One To World Board Member, pictured here with the Consul General of France and Harriet Fulbright: http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/node/1902553/print   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryank123 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)  struck !vote; one per customer please. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have to warn you that you appear to be currently engaging in Sock puppetry. Please stop immediately, this does not help your case and only aggravates it further. And please do consider your actions more carefully. I don't have to tell you that sockpuppetry is very unethical, and Wikipedia pages and their histories are public.


 * Please read Guide to deletion instead for proper conduct in deletion discussions. Don't take it personally and be aware that you can still edit the page while the discussion is ongoing to fix the raised issues here. So if you can prove notability, please do so. --  Obsidi ♠ nSoul  22:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as per the policy cited above. I note that a Google News search of the article's subject (with or without quotes) yields no hits. P.Oxy.2354 (talk) 07:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
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