Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yaquelín Abdalá


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   procedural close. Article has been moved to draft space, and I've marked the resulting redirect for deletion per R2. (non-admin closure) ansh 666 09:14, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Yaquelín Abdalá

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Subject of the article fails WP:GNG. I can't find the significant coverages in multiple reliable sources that establish the subject notability. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 08:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

This was created as part of Art and Feminism meetup. A lot of the references around her are not in English; I was hoping that some of the other Meetup participants would be able to fill in the gaps. Creatrixtiara (talk) 08:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Gosh! WP:MEETUP? That is non-sequitur! Nonetheless, Creating an article for a subject means that the article creator is familiar with the subject (I don't mean COI in this case) and coming here to claim that sources are not in English seemed to be irrelevant to me because the burden to establish a subject notability is on the article creator. The fact that sources are not in English does not mean they can't be included in the article and failure to include them (at least 2 or 3 of them) simply suggested that they are not available. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 09:08, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not really a non-sequitur - it means that this is a new article and probably created by a new editor (as it is in this case), so it's particularly important to make an effort to assume good faith and explain guidelines in a friendly way. It's possible that User:Creatrixtiara didn't know until now that it's fine to include non-English sources. Looking for sources, I see several mentions of her work in Google Books, mostly in Spanish - it's not clear to me from those results whether she's notable, but they signal to me that this is at least worth thoughtfully researching. Tiara, do you think it could make sense to merge this information into Cuban art, to mention Abdalá's work there, if it doesn't manage to be its own article? Dreamyshade (talk) 21:58, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. Creatrixtiara (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Creatrixtiara, it is perfectly fine adding references not in English as far as English references of similar reliability confirming same info are not available.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:30, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment - WP:BEFORE asks that nominators consider whether it's a newly created article. Only a few hours had passed since the creation of the article. When the article was nominated it qualified for CSD-A7, asserting no claim to notability, but it wasn't CSDed -- it was AfDed, and for not being notable, which is another matter. The article was subsequently improved somewhat, with claims to notability added such that it no longer qualifies for A7, and there's no reason to believe it won't continue to be improved. Rather than the condescending, WP:BITEy "Gosh! ..." perhaps consider the implications of 's comment: that as an article created as part of an ongoing event, it will likely continue to be developed over the course of that event. Should it have been created in a sandbox first? You bet. Is the subject notable? I don't know. I don't blame you for trying to have it deleted when you did, but at this point I'd recommend withdrawing the nom and taking another look in a few days. I would also support a Move to draft, which is a good place for a new article created by a new user to start anyway. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 01:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: ... in fact, I think it would be an entirely reasonable course of action for the nominator to withdraw and boldly move the article to the draftspace him/herself. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 01:49, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * How do I move it to draftspace? I'm not really a new editor, but it's been a long time since I edited anything on Wikipedia (under a different account) and things seem to have changed a lot since then. I know that you can add non-English sources; however, because I didn't speak the source language, I wasn't confident about adding them in if I only knew what they were saying because of Google Translate. Creatrixtiara (talk) 04:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool, that makes sense. :) Help:How to move a page has the basic mechanics for moving a page, and "draft space" can mean a page called something like Draft:Yaquelín Abdalá, or it can mean a page that's a sub-page of your userspace, such as User:Creatrixtiara/Yaquelín Abdalá - it's pretty much up to you. Moving it to a sub-page of your user space can help make it clear to random fellow editors that a person cares about the draft and hopes to improve it, so I'd mildly lean toward that (that's what I've eventually decided for my own drafts after doing both myself). There might be somewhere on Wikipedia to ask for assistance with interpreting references from speakers of a particular language, but I'm not sure where. Dreamyshade (talk) 06:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It's now been moved to Draft:Yaquelín Abdalá. Creatrixtiara (talk) 07:33, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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