Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yehoshua Sofer (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 05:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Yehoshua Sofer
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Not notable. The article was nominated a year ago, see Articles for deletion/Yehoshua Sofer, and was kept due to no consensus, but later most of the users who supported to keep the article were found to be socks. P. S. Looking at Abir, his personal martial art style, articles about which were created in many minor wikies with low inclusion standards, it looks like there is a PR activity around Sofer. Wikisaurus (talk)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2020 September 21.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 21:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  08:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  08:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  09:00, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Keep All the sources covering him are reliable. So he is an off-beat character. So what? From the number of write-ups about him, he is notable. See no reason to delete.Geewhiz (talk) 09:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I am leaning towards delete. Most of the sources I could find mention him only in passing.  For example, he's mentioned once in a list in a two volume encyclopedia on hip-hop and the other references are also quite weak.  The only two sources that seem to have some depth are the ones in the Times of Israel and Jerusalem Post.  That might meet the most generous interpretation of WP:GNG since it can be argued that two is "multiple".  The problem I have with that is both articles are about his made-up martial art and that would usually merit a quick verdict on WP that he is a non-notable martial artist.  It's hard to believe his claims that he was the sole student of a secret Jewish martial art that's thousands of years old.  That's especially hard given his being born in Jamaica and brought up in California.  The notability question seems to hinge on whether or not he passes WP:GNG.  I think I fall just on the other side of the GNG fence from the comment in the first AfD discussion that said "I think he's a total con-man and is generally not-legit, but I do think that he's a GNG-passing con-man." However, I'll admit my feelings are not very strong which is why I haven't voted yet. Papaursa (talk) 13:21, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I think it squeaks past BASIC, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Barely meets this, but past the line.    // Timothy ::  talk  13:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


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