Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 7). Most of the Keep !votes are all WP:ITSNOTABLE/WP:ILIKEIT which as we know are useless here, Overall consensus is to redirect. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 02:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova

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Content forking from RuPaul's Drag Race (season 7) no references, the outcome of some fancruft for a fan favorite on a reality TV show. Would also support a redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 7).  Azealia 911  talk  20:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 7) without prejudice. As it stands right now, Katya isn't that much more notable than any of the other contestants from this season. Depending on the outcome of the finale, his time on the show and the press he's done from it plus his webseries plus a Miss Congeniality title (?) would likely be enough to sustain an article. hinnk (talk) 21:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * hinnk, it's almost certain that he wins Miss Congeniality, I've seen fan twitter reactions from people at the filming (not exactly the most reliable source I know), but they all seem to say that he's awarded the title, as they don't film variations of the winner of Miss Congeniality as they do with the top three and winner of the competition. Even with that being said, still not notable at this time. I support you proposition to redirect.  Azealia 911  talk  21:27, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd heard that as well. Unless I'm misinterpreting the AfD guidelines, you can withdraw the nomination and redirect it as long as nobody has supported deleting it. (Though if that's going to be contentious, it may be easiest to leave this open rather than trying to rehash the issue on the talk page?) hinnk (talk) 21:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I'll leave this open, the creator of the article removed the notice I placed on their talk page to tell him about this, however I think they'd revert my redirect without explanation if I did what you suggested, I know that's very cynical of me to assume bad faith, but they've left no edit summaries as of yet, such as this edit, so yeah, I think I'll see what comes of this. But can I ask, if you support a redirect, why are you expanding the article? I did some housecleaning of it, but you're adding large chunks of text...  Azealia 911  talk  21:49, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If there's no prejudice toward recreating the article later, it's just convenient to lay it out now and maybe keep a userfied draft. hinnk (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 7). The individual doesn't have the notability to warrant a separate article. Her web series/YouTube videos also have pretty small views compared to other articles created for Internet and YouTube personalities. There's just not enough information. Burnberrytree (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 7). Her popular web series makes it a real 50/50 to me, but I don't know if she's quite notable enough outside of the show to warrant her own page. In the event that the page is kept, I'd suggest renaming it to Katya Zamolodchikova. She's not really referred to as Yekaterina Petrovna - all her social media and club appearances etc refer to her as Katya Zamolodchikova or simply Katya. :) (Kyleofark (talk) 20:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC))
 * I'd actually suggest renaming the page to simply "Katya (drag queen)" which already has a page, but it's a redirect to the season 7 article, and wasn't sure of all the technicals on how to move a page to a pre-existing page.  Azealia 911  talk  21:02, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * A bit of a moot point if there's consensus to redirect, but WP:MONONYM recommends using Katya Zamolodchikova: "don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used." Most of the sources out there mention the last name. hinnk (talk) 21:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In which case, Katya Zamolodchikova would be the best bet, but certainly not Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova.  Azealia 911  talk  21:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Save Page. A quick perusal of the show's subreddit and the queen's own tumblr page are enough evidence that this is a well known figure. Keep the article, as her likely crowning of Miss Congeniality will keep social media presence bolstered through the next couple of years. I don't see any reason as to why this page would be removed, given the precedence of previous RPDR drag queens having pages like this during their own seasons with far less content.  Hippocratic 911  — Preceding undated comment added 06:50, 27 May 2015 (UTC)  — Jgorman423 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Being a well known figure is one thing, but having the content to back it up is another, and at the moment, the page looks like it won't grow any further, other than adding the fact that they were awarded Miss Congeniality, and referencing the filmography section. Other contestants with their own pages either have extensive filmography's (Willam, Latrice Royale) or a significant discography (Adore Delano, Manila Luzon, Sharon Needles) or simply garnered media coverage in other ways (like Carmen Carrera being a pivotal trans model) I'm afraid simply being well known on Reddit and having a generous number of twitter/tumblr followers isn't enough to warrant an independent article.  Azealia 911  talk  11:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think your comment sums up why the page shouldn't be kept: being famous on the "subreddit" of a show is insufficient for a Wikipedia page. And as discussed above, the list of queens that have a page is another clear indication that this one is undue. As far as I can tell, even Raja, one of the more successful and appreciated past winners, does not have a page.DanielN333 — DanielN333 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: the article about Raja is at Sutan Amrull because he also uses his real name professionally. hinnk (talk) 16:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I had looked but had not seen it. I just went through the seasons to see how many contestants from each had Wiki pages. The numbers from Season 2 onward are: 8, 7, 4, 5, 4. That suggests to me that as the drag queens become more famous as time goes by and as they amass more post-show credits, they get added to Wikipedia. I think that what differentiates Katya from the other queens at this moment is popularity among the show's fan and not notoriety. That's commendable, and will likely mean she does more things that will get her noticed soon, but that's not what this discussion is.DanielN333
 * Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm thinking. Another of the season 7 contestants will have an article by this next week, because winning is a pretty good case for notability. All but one of the All Stars contestants have articles, since they have credits on more than one show. And as you said, the more stuff the current batch does outside the show the more articles we'll have. hinnk (talk) 03:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

She does have a popular web series that continues to grow. She is not just a drag queen famous among the 'subreddit" and on tumblr, she is doing work outside of the show that is getting attention. She has also stated that she will continue to write and further her web series career, which should not downplay what she has already achieved with her web series. There are drag queens from past seasons who have their own separate page that are on equal footing with Katya in regards to work done outside of the show. I am sure there will be more material added to her page as time goes by so it it is important to keep her page.  Her web series along with other contributions like winning Miss Congeniality should be enough to guarantee her a separate page. Web series are creative work done outside of the show, such as filmographies.

I also just joined Wikipedia, but my contribution does not come from that reddit thread.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Honeysuckle333 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 27 May 2015 (UTC) — Honeysuckle333 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Most of your points fail per WP:Other stuff exists, being a fan favorite or winning Miss Congeniality certainly aren't reasons to keep a page, just like producing further episodes to a web series isn't a viable reason. If there's more added in due time then we can always reconsider re-creating the page, but until the page exceeds a small section on his life and an equally small, unsourced filmography section, redirection seems the best route.  Azealia 911  talk  18:19, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Just to add with the addition of some minor you made changes to your point, that having a web series, no matter how successful, does not automatically warrant a separate page, other drag queens have successful web series', but don't have wiki pages because there's not enough content backed up with reliable sources. I fully support the page, but not in it's current state, it needs a lot more content with reliable sourced to back it up.  Azealia 911  talk  19:21, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Note: Contributors to this discussion may have possibly originated from a reddit thread, which caught wind of the discussion, one user boldy writing "save Katya's Wikipedia page!" based on the fact that now two editors in this discussion have only made contributions to this page alone while their accounts have been active. Azealia 911 talk  19:37, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Let's make sure to be welcoming of new users joining this discussion., responding to all of the comments here might be escalating things a bit. The closing admin can sort out the merits of all the points being raised.
 * To all of the new members, I might suggest you check out the general notability guideline here. When we talk about Katya's work so far, it's helpful to do so in the context of reliable, independent sources that we could use. hinnk (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect I was able to find some questionably reliable sources in boston.com's your town section but this is not sufficient for the significant reliable coverage expected of a BLP. RuPaul's Drag Race (season 7) seems like the best target for a redirect, but I would be open to other targets if they are suggested. I would also like to point out to the canvassed/spa editors here that the nominator is one of the best contributors to RuPaul's Drag Race content on Wikipedia and has worked significantly on articles such as Adore Delano. Winner 42 Talk to me!  19:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I am new here but would like to add some things in case we do save her page. Katya was a major contributor (as in found it based on the source below) to a show and called it "Perestroika" in the Boston’s Theatre District for seven years and I think we can delve more into that since she actually constructed that whole show. Her page has like only one sentence but maybe we can add more. 1 2 3 Also, in the case of the web series, maybe more content can be written about them as in what she talked about in them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henryshowtunes (talk • contribs) 01:24, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - She is a very popular Drag Queen. One of the standouts of the new season. She has a huge internet following that literally calls her "mom". Most of you probably don't watch the show so you wouldn't know how popular she is. HesioneHushabye (talk)
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