Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yelena Chernykh


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. As User:MichaelQSchmidt correctly points out, there appears to be WP:CSB due to lack of English language sources. Using the name Елена Черных uncovers more sources than the anglicized name. Closing as no consenus as the one keep !vote is a much stronger argument than the delete !votes and introduces significant information that I cannot be sure the delete !voters are aware of. v/r - TP 01:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Yelena Chernykh

 * – ( View AfD View log )


 * Delete as non-notable; no info. on Google search; only link dead; whoever created article knew her maiden name and traffic accident that claimed her life, that's about it. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 14:43, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as Rms stated. The article contains no data about her apart from her death. This appears to have been made using only the one source. Unless more info can be added, definitely delete. Akjar13 (talk) 11:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Talk about WP:CSB. Someone chose to write about an actress perhaps notable to Russia, and I would hazzard a guess that English coverage will be minimal and that available news sources will be difficult to find. As her death merited news coverage, due to her affiliation with Volgograd theater, so perhaps her life did too. Time to dig.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  — Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Mr. Schmidt: There is no bias here. That is offensive and obnoxious. I never heard of the woman before she died. An article comprised of just her marriage, maiden name and death in a car accident, created with one dead foreign language link, do not make her article notable. It is the responsibility of the article's creator(s) and/or those who wish to keep the article to improve it so that it is notable. It is not at the current time and the links you provide are in Russian, a language I do not speak or understand in any way. If you wish the article to remain the onus is on you to improve it sufficiently. Quis separabit?  01:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to add that she is not even "perhaps notable to Russia" as it appears that no one from her own country has even created an article for her on Russian language Wikipedia. Quis separabit?  01:40, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No "onus" on me, as I have not opined either a keep nor a delete. And no need to be so "offended", as "Systemic Bias" here refers to the unfortunate imbalance of topic coverage due to reliance of en.Wikipedia contributors on searches for English-language coverage for topics that may be notable elsewhere, even if not in English-speaking countries, and editors often not being able to find or read non-English sources. This does NOT mean any editor or group of editors are themselves personally biased... and such is obvious by both my polite comment and your response "...links you provide are in Russian, a language I do not speak or understand in any way".  I do not read Russian either... and that was why I included this article in the "list of Russia-related deletion discussions" in the hopes that someone more able might assist here.  No more... no less.  I an surprised you find it "obnoxious" that I suggested we seek input from editors beter able to search for and read Russian sources than either you or I.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:14, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete but question did you search on Russian? I still voted for delete, because it seems like her death was more notable as herself (sources reported only her death rather than her career); a case of WP:ONEEVENT? Also note that it was deleted on the Russian Wikipedia, with similar reasons.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 09:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for that link. Now we know that her stagework is more searchable under "Елена Черных" than it is under the Anglicized "Yelena Chernykh". Translators, help!  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:14, 17 October 2011 (UTC)




 * Mr. Schmidt: My comments here were not a personal attack on you as your misleading edit summary contends. It was a response to what I perceived as your snide ("Talk about WP:CSB") comment to me. Had you chosen to discuss the matter on my talk page I would have been happy to discuss it. I no longer am interested in doing so. Your provocative and accusatory edit summary indicates to me you are more interested in generating atavism and attention than anything else. Quis separabit?  22:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Your own first response to my bringing the project's concern toward CSB forward was to call it "offensive and obnoxious", and I pointed out that it should not be seen as either. So please do not take my "Talk about WP:CS" as an attack directed at you, as it was rather a simple and neutral three words directed at the growing problem on a growing Wikipedia as more and more editors bring us topics unknown to the English-speaking/reading world, and we deal with the problems inherent in sourcing such. It ain't about you, as I am not fixing blame... but trying rather to address the greater issue of this topic being difficult, if not impossible, to source in English. What an AM interested in is generating attention to our need for editors better skilled linguistically to deal with the sourcing, as we both admit our weaknesses in dealing with the Russian language sources. And had you responded on my talk page rather than taking my observation as a personal affront here, the talk page is where these exchanges would be taking place. If you took a personal offense, please know that none was meant.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep and allow continued improvements. "Елена Черных"+театра (her name in Russian cyrillic, plus her occupation in theater) knocked out many false positives and showed that sources addressing this actress DO exist. So far, I have been able to expand and source, but is IS slow going. What was in good faith nominated as having only one dead link as a source, has been expanded and sourced with live ref links, and is beginning to shape up. There is more to do, certainly, but as we do not have BLP violation and the topic is shown as expandable and sourcable (my thanks to User: GreatOrangePumpkin ), I think it behooves us to show ru.Wikipedia just how article improvement can be done.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:53, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.