Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yerzhan Ashikbayev


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There's consensus that politicians at this level (deputy minister) are notable, though just barely if they haven't had a notable career. The state of sourcing is currently poor, but a search of the spelling given by Carrite suggests that there is enough coverage to satisfy WP:GNG, and the article's sourcing can certainly be improved. (non-admin closure) clpo13(talk) 21:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yerzhan Ashikbayev

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Foreign Ministers are presumed notable. Not so for Deputy Fooreign Ministers, such as this individual.  DGG ( talk ) 04:12, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  04:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  04:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Agreed, fails WP:POLITICIAN as written for now. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:38, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, deputy (national) ministers fulfills WP:NPOL by far. --Soman (talk) 18:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:44, 17 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Of course deputy ministers are notable. Good grief! Just plain common sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:43, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:37, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. According to WP:POLOUTCOMES, politicians at this level are "usually considered notable": Sub-cabinet officials (assistant secretary, commissioner, etc.) are usually considered notable, especially if they have had otherwise notable careers. A deputy minister is akin to an assistant secretary, is it not? Everyone at United States Assistant Secretary of State has an article. Egsan Bacon (talk) 18:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This would be a perfectly valid claim of notability if the article were sourced enough to satisfy WP:GNG — but it is not strong enough to confer an automatic inclusion freebie, if the resulting article is sourced entirely to a single blurb on the website of an affiliated organization rather than to any real or genuinely substantive media coverage. This is a civil service position, not a political office per se, so NPOL doesn't apply — but GNG does, and even an NPOL claim wouldn't be allowed to rest entirely on a single primary source the way this does in its current state. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can source and substance it better than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - This will help: Kazakh spelling is Ержан Ашықбаев. Passes GNG, a top level Kazakh state functionary covered extensively in the media. Carrite (talk) 16:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)


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