Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ying Ma (writer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Ying Ma (writer)

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There is no coverage in reliable sources of the subject. The subject fails the notability test. She appears to have been on the staff of a failed presidential campaign, written op-eds in conservative outlets, and self-published a book. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete All I can find are reviews of "Chinese Girl in the Ghetto", the book she wrote and even these are few and far between. Oaktree b (talk) 01:31, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep She has been published in several non-conservative outlets as well, particularly on foreign policy matters, e.g. NBC News and WSJ. She makes relatively frequent appearances on cable news, and was frequently quoted during the No on 16 campaign in California last year, and as such will be someone people will want to look up. WP is about the only place where she is described as a "writer" which likely explains absence her from searches; "Ying Ma activist" and "Ying Ma author" are more productive.-- choster (talk) 14:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * She has written op-eds for NBC News and the WSJ. NBC News and WSJ have not covered her. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have cleaned up the article and added details and relevant references. See article history since they have been deleted by User:Snooganssnoogans.
 * author of Chinese Girl in the Ghetto
 * lawyer at a global law firm (law at Simpson Thacher & Bartlett)
 * member of a few think-tanks
 * political senior advisor
 * communications director
 * radio host
 * nonprofit executive. President of Three Kingdom Institute.
 * Presidential Campaign Deputy Policy Director and Communications Director for Ben Carson.
 * deputy director of a pro-Trump super PAC.
 * visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution.
 * President of the Stanford Chapter of the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies

SWP13 (talk) 16:05, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, the content you added was near-exclusively sourced to self-authored bios and to other self-sourced work (such as op-eds). If you weren't a regular editor, I would have strongly suspected your edit of being WP:COI due to the poor sourcing and the puffery. The fact that you filled this page with that kind of content (10,000 bytes) and was unable to find ANY reliable secondary coverage of this person demonstrates perfectly that she fails WP:N. Since this editor (and Choster) have failed to demonstrate anything that indicates WP:N (note also that both editors have edited the article), their comments should be dismissed by the closer. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Not seeing significant, in-depth coverage independent of the subject. She may later become notable as a pundit, but not there yet. Neutralitytalk 16:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 01:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Even with the new sources (one is her "About Me" part from the website and the other just a bio from her employer), I don't see notability. They don't discuss her at length in any third-party journals, newspapers or books. Oaktree b (talk) 14:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete only primary or useless secondary sources. Mcguy15 (talk)


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