Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yolanda Saldívar


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The result was   speedy keep. (non-admin closure) Esquivalience t 17:28, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Yolanda Saldívar

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Granted this person received a large amount of media attention for who she murdered, but the subject is known for the one thing WP:1E. Therefore, the article should either be deleted or merged into Murder of Selena. I am withdrawing my nomination. Consensus seems clear and for substantive reasons. Thank to everyone for their input. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:15, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't believe that I would say this but I disagree. Saldivar is not only known for killing Selena (yes, she is mostly known for), but she had a hefty record before getting into contact with Selena (Patoski, 1996) and the publicity she had after the shooting has spurred other events, such as being proposed to another notorious convicted murderer (Arraras, 1997). The article can be expanded by the numerous books and films that have revolved around her, but I wouldn't want to be that person. Best, jona   (talk)   20:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough, but I'm not seeing any of that in the article. From an average Reader standpoint, she's known for killing Selena and that's it. Any fame that resulted after the murder would not have happened had she not murdered Selena, its still effectively WP:1E. Lee Harvey Oswald did not become more Notable because he was killed by Jack Ruby, its just something that happened stemming from his primary act, the Kennedy Assassination. And unless somebody is going to make the argument that Selena's murder is on par with a political assassination, Saldivar doesn't seem Notable. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * To Hispanics the death of Selena is more important than the assassination of JFK (which is on the murder article and sourced), but I'm not going to expand the Saldivar article because there's a lot to do and I would rather focus on improving music articles. But for the sake of Wikipedia, she has been in the lime light other than the killing. Best, jona   (talk)   21:18, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep as article is well-sourced and subject easily crosses the verifiability and notability thresholds. AfD is not cleanup. - Dravecky (talk) 22:12, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. "More important than JFK's assassination" was perhaps an exaggeration prompted by sentiment at the time, but I think we can legitimately compare this to the murder of John Lennon (also mentioned as a comparison of the time) for which we also have articles about both the murder and the murderer.  While I suppose we could merge all of this content into Murder of Selena, on balance it is probably helpful to have a separate article for the detailed information about Saldívar, and there is certainly enough coverage about her to pass GNG.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 02:50, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. Well, everything's been basically said by Dravecky and Arxiloxos and I don't want to offend the nominator but...I mean really? --Antonio La Bestia Locaaaa Martin (dilo) 07:33, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * , Really, what? This article came up on the Special:PendingChanges and when I saw what it was and the articles associated with it I wondered if it needed to exist separately. If this AfD concludes as Keep, I have no issue with that. I can give several examples of highly publicized murders where the perpetrator does not have a separate article, but is merged in with the article for the incident. I guess the standard is if you kill someone famous, you get your own article. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 06:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. This was a notorious murder, and it appears in books, a film, documentaries, news stories, etc. She's notable, too, for being a rare female killing a female for other than cheating with her male.  Far from run of the mill. Bearian (talk) 19:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep * why waste everybodys time with nominations like this one?. falls under WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - The murder of Selena by Yolanda Saldívar was covered by the news media in North, Central and South America. Plus in the Latin countries in the Caribbean. Yolanda Saldívar's crime can be compared to Mark David Chapman's murder of John Lennon. Tony the Marine (talk) 05:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - As per above reasons. Cyclonius (talk) 10:04, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
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