Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yorkshire Derby (second nomination)


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The result was delete. Sr13 00:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Yorkshire Derby

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The previous AfD on this matter was closed as "no consensus". DRV overturned, concerned that policy, especially WP:V, had not been properly weighed. Despite the overturning, there was not sufficient consensus to delete the page outright at DRV, so the matter is referred to AfD again. This is procedural nomination, so I abstain. Xoloz 01:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete or Rename This appears to be just two words that happen to appear in a particular order from time to time, not a separate concept.  In this order, "Yorkshire" means whatever the author usually takes it to mean, unless it is modified as in "West Yorkshire derby".  And "derby" has its usual meaning.  Even if it was a separate term with a distinct meaning, Avoid neologisms (a guideline) says "To support the use of (or an article about) a particular term we must cite reliable secondary sources such as books and papers about the term — not books and papers that use the term."  I searched on google, looking for any occurance of the phrase in a secondary source, and found none.  One of the searches I did is this one; I also tried Google Books and Google scholar.  I believe that no secondary sources on the term exist, thus we should not have an article on the term.  It may be appropriate to have a List of derbys in Yorkshire, although I can't see why we need one.  GRBerry 01:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ... when we already have local derbies in the United Kingdom (an article that is woefully in need of sources, by the way) which appears to be sufficient. Uncle G 02:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:V as the term Yorkshire Derby is unsourced. Further, this remains indiscriminate information. Even 'Yorkshire' is undefined. Does it include just the former counties of North, South and West Yorkshire which would exclude the football teams Middlesbrough and Hull City or the long defunct traditional county that would include those? And of course the list of sports and clubs is unlimited. For example I can source a passing reference to Sheffield Hallam Civica against Harrogate as a 'Yorkshire derby' in Men's Hockey here but so what? Finally, we already have Local derbies in the United Kingdom where those derbies that are actually notable can reside. TerriersFan 02:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually looked for sources at the time of the previous AFD discussion. I couldn't find any that actually delineated a concept of a "Yorkshire derby".  There is at least one question that this article would need to answer: What defines a derby as specifically a Yorkshire derby?  There are no sources that I can find that actually answer that question.  The only way to answer that question is apparently for Wikipedia editors to perform original research, inferring what a Yorkshire derby is by collecting together all of the things that have been called "Yorkshire derby" and trying to synthesize a definition of the concept from those raw data.  That's exactly what the article at hand is doing.  Wikipedia isn't the place for such original research. This concept hasn't been properly documented yet and here is not the place to be documenting it for the first time.  Delete. Uncle G 02:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - per above. Unschool 04:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 07:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - not needed, all the events it describes have their own articles anyway, it doesn't tell you anything special. Alphablast 16:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Local derbies in the United Kingdom. Oldelpaso 12:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:V and WP:NEO. BlueValour 17:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
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