Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yosef Dayan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 14:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yosef Dayan

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This is not a notable "rabbi" even though the article makes it sound like he is "who knows what." There are thousands of rabble rousers, trouble makers and media hounds in Israel who are better known locally but they do not deserve full fledged "biographies" either. The article violates WP:NN; WP:COI (formerly WP:VANITY); WP:NOT; as well as WP:CITE and its links are misleading and tendentious. IZAK 22:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletions.   IZAK 22:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.   IZAK 22:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * NOTE: See related CfD at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 1.
 * NOTE: See related AfD at Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the Israeli throne


 * Delete for above reasons. IZAK 22:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable. -N 00:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Edison 00:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge into Pulsa diNura. Rightly or wrongly, this man gained considerable notoriety for his high jinks regarding the performance of the Pulsa diNura curse on Rabin and Ariel Sharon, as well as his son's (who was a soldier) refusal to shake the hand of the Israeli chief of staff. Even I've heard of him, and I was following the disengagement plan controversy from the States. Some news site links that mention him:, , , , , , , . He was also interviewed in Le Figaro, I believe. nadav (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure, towards Keep. nadav is correct. This guy "managed to kill" One and a half Israeli PM's and his son just went in his footsteps (making a lot of noise doing it). He might not be a pretener to the throne (see above links), his rabbinical credentials are very minor (a few minor publications, no official posts), but he is quite famous (or more correctly, infamous). DGtal 22:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, but expand. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 04:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete nn who only had one notable event and include minor mention at Pulsa diNura, despite marginal notability due to the handshake incident (I only found out now that there was a relation, as I never saw him mentioned in that context when the handshake incident was in the press).  Tewfik Talk 06:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, 64 Google news archive results. John Vandenberg 06:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do not Merge At first I was thinking that it should be deleted, as Tewfik notes a minor mention about a pulsa dinura is not all that notable. But Nadav1 does make a good point that there are various new stories about him.  Still most of the article greatly overlap.   I have to strongly disagree with nadiv's idea to merge into Pulsa diNura.  Pulsa diNura deals with  the concept in general and it would be wholly inappropriate to merge a single alleged Pulsa diNura into an article about the topic in general.  Jon513 12:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - 'Delete' arguments have not pursuaded me. The article of course needs proper referencing, but seems to be legitimate. Actually, Dayan was given much publicity from the Israeli media. --Shuki 15:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Shuki: The Israeli media is virulently anti-Orthodox, so the only reason they "like" nuts like this is because it makes Orthodoxy look crazy and not because this person is notable in any way. There are tens of thousands of more notable Orthodox Jews who also will not get Wikipedia articles. IZAK 23:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * How are you defining notability? The guideline definition is that they have been mentioned in multiple reliable sources. The fact that Dayan is notable doesn't preclude us from writing articles on honorable, serious rabbis. nadav (talk) 00:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nadav: Crazy men, only known to some local people are not notable. Would you also write an article about the tens of thousands of serial burglars who get mentioned in newspaper police blotters time after time for their multiple convictions over the years? Obviously not. So he is not just not notable, but the article is also WP:NOT; WP:COI. IZAK 00:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This guy's shenanigans made headlines in all the major Israeli papers. For a while, there was talk in the papers that the Attorney General of Israel would prosecute him for incitement. I'll work on basing the article only on reliable sources, and I'm also still open to some sort of merge option. But outright deletion is just not the way. nadav (talk) 01:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * IZAK, how else would these guys get publicity? The anti-___ Israeli media does a disservice to itself by publicizing anything that reeks of 'primitive' Judaism. Instead of ignoring Jewish 'fanatics' (sort of like the Phillie Phanatic), the media actually draws more attention to them, empowering others in knowing that there are leaders like this out there. Dayan's son made a great statement that made a lot of people proud. It's nice to see where it came from. Having articles on WP can actually dispell myths and lies the original publishers intended. --Shuki 16:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


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