Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You'll Never Beat the Irish


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  15:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

You'll Never Beat the Irish

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 * Delete. Multiple issues including WP:V and WP:NN, like the other articles listed below. All are bare listings without any indication of notability and all are the work of the same editor resembling a private collection rather than an encyclopaedic series. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:39, 29 June 2018 (UTC) Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:39, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I am nominating the following which are all related to the above:
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Same rationale for deletion. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete for all of them. probably promotional or fan pages. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:00, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep All and improve each through the normal editing process, or assess individually. This massive group nomination shows a deficient WP:BEFORE search for each individual album and for the group collectively. The nominator also missed WP:NEXIST, which states that the current absence of sources in an article is not proof that sources do not exist at all, and that editors should search for them and add them going forward. Of the 13 albums in the nomination, 8 have reviews at AllMusic which can be found easily. The following do not have AllMusic reviews: You'll Never Beat the Irish, As Gaeilge, The Foggy Dew (album), The Troubles (Wolfe Tones album), and 'Till Ireland a Nation. Of that group, The Troubles (Wolfe Tones album) received one possibly useful review that I could find, and I could find nothing for the other four. Those five albums could be subjected to this AfD process individually but that is not a good reason to condemn the band's entire discography through this collective nomination. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Per, I don't see that WP:BEFORE has been met here. Even if it were found that some individual subjects do not meet WP:NALBUM (to the extent that the content was to be deleted), some of the titles themselves would seem appropriate to at least retain as a redirect (to the extent that the titles would seem appropriate to keep). If we get to that point, The Wolfe Tones discography would seem a viable target. Otherwise, the individual articles should be individually assessed. And, at quick glance, per Doomsdayer520, at least some of the albums listed have been the subject of non-trivial reviews/coverage. Short of evidence of WP:BEFORE on each of them, I don't see how I could support the "delete them all" recommendation. (Separately, I would note that all of these articles were created by the same [now] blocked user. And nominated shortly after that user was blocked. I'm not saying its the case here, and while it sometimes seem like it perhaps should be, "the author is a dick" is not a valid AfD rationale.) Guliolopez (talk) 20:21, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:18, 7 July 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:52, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


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