Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You're Gonna Go Far, Kid


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. The delete arguments are in line with our policies and guidelines. Article can be recreated if and when this becomes a notable single, of course. Fram (talk) 14:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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Contested redirect of non-notable song that might or might not be released as a single. Fails WP:MUSIC. Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Can somebody please understand this? It's supposed to be the second single off their new album Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace. I'm not kidding, I did hear the song play on KROQ. I listen to the station online and that's how I know the could be the new single. Even KROQ.com is listing "You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" on the What's New list. Alex (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and WP:CRYSTAL. --Thetrick (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delay decision on the basis that there are very strong grounds to believe that the song is going to be the next single, including radio play, the sticker on the album stating "includes You're Gonna Go Far kid" and the song being played more often live than other songs on the album. If this is an invalid reason for postponing a decision then delete as per WP:CRYSTAL. 82.13.151.148 (talk) 21:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete No, that's not a valid reason, there's no proof that it's being played more often. Since there's no proof that it'll be a single, it violates WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's downloaded more than the other ten tracks, which can be verified by a check of RAFRAG at the itunes store. My points constitute "strong evidence", as opposed to "proof", hence my call for a delay. 82.13.151.148 (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, please Keep I do not believe this article should be deleted. Alex 101 was right that it is a single. Even users on the bulletin board on the Offspring's website agree that it will be a single as well. 64.136.26.231 (talk) 22:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - single by a well known band --T-rex 22:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, article lacks WP:RS and fails WP:CRYSTAL.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 01:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Masterpiece2000   ( talk ) 02:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:MUSIC -- JediLofty UserTalk 09:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - That a song is a single by a notable band does not make it notable, per WP:MUSIC. This song might be a single soon -- so it might soon satisfy criteria that are not criteria. (If we delay the decision and it does become the next single, it still wouldn't be notable.) - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace, which was the nominator did indeed try to do, and was teh correct thing to do. There are no facts, and only suppositions, and clearly is a case of crystal-balling.
 * Comment Aren't you guys insane? The song is supposed to be a single and IT IS going to be a single. I know that and I'm not a liar. So please, let's just delay the decision to delete this article. 64.136.26.231 (talk) 14:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You know that? Where is the proof?  After all, proof is what Wikipedia is based on.  I know a lot of things that I would like to add to articles, but if I can't prove them, then I don't add them! --  JediLofty UserTalk 14:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are users on the message board of The Offspring's website claiming that this song will be a single, that's how much I know about it. I'm not really sure if it is going to be a real single, but I just know for a fact that KROQ's been playing that song, and they even played it last night. 64.136.26.231 (talk) 15:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - We do not know that this will be a single but, again, this is a moot point anyway. Singles from notable bands are not inherently notable. Please review notability guidelines at WP:MUSIC. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment You know what, I'm getting tired of talking about whether this song will be a single or not. It's not fair that this article has to be deleted. 64.136.26.231 (talk) 15:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It's perfectly fair. There are rules for what songs may be included in Wikipedia: "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable." Has this song been ranked on a chart?  No.  Has it won any awards?  No.  Has it been performed by several artists?  No.  Therefore it should not have an article, unless or until it meets one or more of those criteria. --  JediLofty UserTalk 16:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:N. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The article itself looks OK to me. 71.130.216.232 (talk) 20:31, 21 June 2008 (UTC) — 71.130.216.232 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep Nothing to say, just keep. Justletmerock (talk) 20:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Don't see where this is going. It's just crazy to delete an article of a song by a popular band. RaNcIdPuNkS (talk) 20:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The song is not notable, that is why the article should be deleted. Per the rules for what songs may be included in Wikipedia only songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists are permitted to have articles.  At a pinch, songs that have caused a certain amount of notoriety might be included in Wikipedia, but this is rare.  Just because a band is notable doesn't mean their songs will automatically be. --  JediLofty UserTalk 10:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This is just a trick. This article should not be deleted. 64.136.26.231 (talk) 14:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please clarify. What is a trick? AfD? Notability criteria? Applying notability criteria in an AfD discussion? - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep 95% likely going to be the next single, also note the tag 'This article contains information about a scheduled or expected future single.' this is an expected future single so why would the tag exist if all expected future singles were a case of crystal balling?--The Skeleton (talk) 22:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - a future single tag doesn't excuse an article from the policy of verifiability. Singles may be scheduled for a future release, and reported to be so in maintream or music press providing reliable sources to establish facts to confirm it is a single.  I don't see how speculation in a web forum meets verifiability or counting as a reliable source. -- Whpq (talk) 02:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - 95% likely that it will be the next single? Then what? Being a single by a notable band does not make a song notable. No, not all expected or future singles are a case of crystal balling. But the existance of a category, like Category:Upcoming singles does not mean that all upcoming singles are notable, any more than all American actors are notable because of Category:American actors. Some are, most are not. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: There is no important information that can't be written up again in five minutes if it does become the next single. Right now, it should go as per WP:CRYSTAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThunderPX (talk • contribs) 08:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


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