Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You Lie!


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to  Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 05:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

You Lie!

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fails WP:NOT. Similar outbursts and stunts have become historically significant (see Evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet) but it remains to be seen if this will. At this stage there's no way of telling if such historical notability will become present, and until it does the article should be deleted. Ironholds (talk) 23:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, several days after, there remains discussion of it making it more than news. Political repercussions have been discussed, such as fund raising, censure, etc.  Wikipedia also has other articles on Series of Tubes and Let's Roll.  These have been discussed on Wikipedia and have been kept.  You Lie! is on the same level as those.  There are also sections created in the article that need to be filled and, once done, will make it easier for others to see that it deserves an article. Ironholds cites "otherstuffexists" but that is an opinion piece and essay, not policy. The other articles, like series of tubes and let's roll give us an idea of what is acceptable. This article is intended not to be anti or pro Wilson or anti or pro Obama. Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 23:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Several whole days? Wow! that's certainly evidence of historical or significant notability, then. Sorry for wasting your time. Ironholds (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Then, please withdraw the AFD since you agree that there is evidence of notability. thank you  Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 23:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, counter-sarcasm. Touche. Ironholds (talk) 23:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ironholds, I am nice and won't fight with you any further or add any more comments. Please note that the article needs help but I have inserted some new sections and ideas that need to be developed further.  By doing so, it can be a great article! Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, its an abortion. More or less against everything contained in BLP, a complete dishonor to an otherwise respectable congressman, a pinata for healthcare nuts of both sides, and of course all the other tenants cited above and below.Yeago (talk) 07:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Please no. I am aware that the 08 elections just evicicerated NOT#NEWS, but come on. We don't need to lavishly cover every outburst made by congressmen with poor impulse control. Most, if not all of the references relate to the outburst or the speaker, not to the phrase, which is relatively unremarkable. Protonk (talk) 23:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. This subject is more the sufficiently covered in the Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) and Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009 articles.  I really feel that the speech article is the best place to cover the subject as it provides the most subject pertinent context. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 00:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with StuffOfInterest. The other articles cover this well enough. "You lie" is really only notable in those contexts. If it takes on a life of its own (like Joe the Plumber, for example, or Let's roll), then it might warrant its own article. But for now, it fails WP:NOT. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete One Event, probably WP:COAT Arzel (talk) 01:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:POVFORK. Actual topic covered by Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009 and Joe Wilson (U.S. politician).  Article was created by a throwaway, SPA account to attempt to skew the incident by taking it out of its original context. Viriditas (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please do not commit abortion on me. I am a human being, not a throwaway piece of trash.  I am also not a spa or masseuse. Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 19:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Belongs in the Joe Wilson article and is not worthy of its own. Bueller 007 (talk) 02:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm the farthest thing from a deletionist you could find, and I still think this should be deleted. --kizzle (talk) 05:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep for two weeks, then delete - Seems like a good pinata which could allieviate surrounding articles from politically giddy editors =)Yeago (talk) 05:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't do that. If it's not notable in two weeks, it's not notable now. DJ Clayworth (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep for now - this one seems to be sticking around. --Mr Beale (talk) 06:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. ArcAngel (talk) 06:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * keep. article refers to and discusses a well-known political incident; the references are reliable as well.i see no reason to delete this at all!!Grandia01 (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOTNEWS. Anything here is already covered in Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009, which seems to be leaning towards keep in its AFD. talking  birds  16:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOTNEWS. If folks really really want it kept, then it should be merged with Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) and/or Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009. Further, I find it curious that a photographer was aiming their camera at Wilson, had him centered and in focus at the exact moment of the so-called outburst. As if they knew ahead of time that something was coming. Tangurena (talk) 17:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete with redirect to one of the two articles which already cover the event, Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) (preferred) or Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009. This is a POV fork. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 18:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This article is slowly growing. You can't put too much info in the Joe Wilson article or it will overwhelm the article.  That's the reason for this article, just like Obama related articles are writen instead of putting the information into Barack Obama.  New references and information is being added. Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 19:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not say merge; I said delete. I really don't care how long this gets, its a fork and needs to go. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 00:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This info belongs at Joe Wilson (U.S. politician). Reywas92 Talk  21:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, per WP:NOT, not a repository, blog etc. etc. ... Kenosis (talk)
 * Delete, per WP:NOT. Merge information (if needed) with Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) --Cyclopia (talk) 10:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete this POV fork as there is not any notability. Googlemeister (talk) 15:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per You_Lie!, or at least for a few days until the news dies down. Bearian (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete current is not noteworthy, and in a few weeks this will become obscure. DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) or other relevant article. ... Kenosis (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually before this article was created it was a redirect to either liar or lie. Googlemeister (talk) 21:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect to Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) --Yardie Lobo (talk) 16:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) --My I-don&#39;t-have-to-run day (talk) 18:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Joe Wilson (U.S. politician). Better redirects are "You lie" and "You lie!" but there is no harm in having other permutations.  This incident is more well-known than the Congressman himself, and U.S. Congressmen are inherently notable.  For the time being it belongs in his bio; history will determine whether or not it merits a separate entry. NTK (talk) 20:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge any useful content to Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009 (if there's anything not already there that can be merged). This title is probably a useful redirect, either to Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) or Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009. Everybody's talking about this in the current news cycle, but chances are in a month's time this is going to be largely forgotten. If it's not, we have this discussion again. Alex finds herself awake at night  ( Talk ·  What keeps her up ) 08:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009; Linking to the person might cause potential BLP issues. - Mailer Diablo 12:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per StuffOfInterest or redirect per Mailer Diablo and Mike (below). Cs32en  15:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Joe Wilson (U.S. politician), just like Nanu nanu redirects to Mork & Mindy. --Lamalamadingdong (talk) 19:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009 Wikipedia suffers from a glut of articles written about many nonsensical things (Individual TV episodes?? The heck?), so the more we can "condense" info into related articles, the better.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 03:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Joe Wilson (U.S. politician) per KillerChihuahua --Hujan (talk) 11:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This is going to be one of the most notable phrases of the Obama administration. Don't need more partisan censorship. Bachcell (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, and do not redirect. Delete per WP:NOT. Redirecting as common a phrase as "You lie!" to the congressman's article seems silly, and probably is a WP:WORLDVIEW problem. Readers outside the US likely don't associate "You lie!" with Joe Wilson. — Mike : tlk  23:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.