Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You Say You Want a Revolution: Rock Music in American Culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 21:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

You Say You Want a Revolution: Rock Music in American Culture

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Contested prod (contested by author of book, who is also major contributor to page). Until very recently, this article was a platform to promote not just this book, but author and his other books. Although the book may be cited by a few other authors, it fails the notability guidelines for books. It has not received anywhere near the level of notability to justify an article. Movingboxes (talk) 13:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Creating editor Rpielke has commented on the AfD discussion page. I've encouraged him to post over here as well. Movingboxes (talk) 13:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * All references to persons and books other than You Say You Want a Revolution bave been deleted. This article was originally created at the request of those who use the book for academic purposes. It is widely used. Rpielke (talk) 13:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment What does this article add to the experience of those who are using the book for academic purposes? Can you provide sources that it is "widely used"?  Note:  just being cited doesn't automatically confer notability upon your book. Movingboxes (talk) 13:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep pending improvements. I recommend adding a "rescue" tag to the article and seeing if it can be improved to be more encyclopedic, less "free ad"-ish. I recognize this book and I believe it is notable enough for an article, but in its present state it's very rough. No prejudice against renomination in a few months if improvments are not made. 23skidoo (talk) 14:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Actually, Notability_(books) says "how widely the book is cited by other academic publications or in the media". All the citations are noted in the article. Based on my understanding of Book specific notability - it does appear to meet the criteria. Now, I do agree the article needs serious cleanup, but that isn't a reason for deletion. Turlo Lomon (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment An article built entirely around citations in other works, without any media coverage, seems very WP:ORish to me. Movingboxes (talk) 04:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete The book itself fails to meet 4 of the 5 requirements for Notability_(books) and possibly fails all 5. The book has not won a major literary award, has not been adapted into a motion picture, is not the subject of instruction at multiple academic institutions, and the author is not historically significant. Colemangracie (talk) 10:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Strict adherence to this guideline however would exclude 99% of all books, especially non-fictional works. I do not believe it fails No. 1 on the criteria; no one has added the sources yet, is all. 23skidoo (talk) 13:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: That's a fair enough comment but it also implies that every obscure book deserves an article on Wikipedia. Colemangracie (talk) 00:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Question: Just curious....if it meets the first criterion...is that not sufficient [since it has to meet at least one of the five]?
 * Delete, promotional. Stifle (talk) 14:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete spam WikiScrubber (talk) 07:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete looks like spam to me. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk to me The mess I've made 20:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.