Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Young Money (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Young Money Entertainment. Feel free to merge any usable content from the page history. Tim Song (talk) 03:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Young Money
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Obvious violation of WP:Duplicate and all the information on this article AND MORE is already available on Young Money Entertainment. I'm not opposed to a redirect or merge, either. There's no question Young Money is notable, but an even more Detailed article already exists and this article has no purpose when the other one is still around. Str8cash (talk) 18:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: The entire discography was on the Young Money Entertainment page while i was nominating this page. Str8cash (talk) 18:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong delete - Young Money is not a super group, it's a record label. We Are Young Money was not released by a group called Young Money, it was released by Young Money ENTERTAINMENT. The creation of this article doesn't even make logical sense. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 23:12, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, the singles and album would be released by Young Money Entertainment, not Young Money. A group comprising of members from the record label does not mean that it is the same thing as its roster. – Chase  ( talk ) 23:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't make sense to have a "supergroup" with the exact same roster of Young Money Ent. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 05:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe not, but to assume that they are the same based on your own reasoning is WP:OR. – Chase  ( talk ) 21:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. Label and group are not the same. Group is notable per WP:BAND. – Chase  ( talk ) 23:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Young Money has never identified itself as a group per se. It is reminiscent of The Re-Up with Eminem. That's not a supergroup, just a compilation album promoting the artists of Shady Records and this Young Money Entertainment debacle is the same. Str8cash (talk) 01:30, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't seem to be providing any sources for this the Young Money information, however. I would like to see a source saying We Are Young Money is intended to be a compilation to promote Young Money's artists. – Chase  ( talk ) 04:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment It is mostly referred to ithe "Young Money Compilation Album" in several sites and i believe last year in its premature stages, that's also what wikipedia articles called it. A couple of these sources are also endorsed by Lil Wayne himself (i.e. "New Lil Wayne" and "Lil Wayne HQ"), by the way: http://www.sohh.com/2009/11/lil_wayne_nicki_minaj_drakes_young_money.html, http://www.djbooth.net/index/tracks/review/young-money-ft.-lil-wayne-drake-jae-millz-gudda-gudda-mack-maine-every-girl/, http://dimewars.com/HipHopNews/Lil-Wayne---Young-Money-Compilation-Album---We-Are-Young-Money--First-Week-Sales--142-000-Units.aspx?PressReleaseID=a65e5fda-e2ae-40f9-a50e-741abf8b2f0a, http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/album/Young+Money+Compilation/3439723, http://www.ozonemag.com/2009/01/30/lil-wayne-feat-young-money-every-girl/, http://celebrifi.com/gossip/Lil-Wayne-Nicki-Minaj-Drakes-Young-Money-Compilation-Tracklisting-Revealed-PHOTO-1035737.html, http://www.newlilwayne.com/2009/07/rebirth-and-young-money-compilation-to-be-released-on-the-same-day-video/, http://www.lilwaynehq.com/2009/10/13/lilwaynehq-exclusive-interview-with-young-moneys-gudda-gudda/, http://www.youngmoneyhq.com/tag/compilation-album/,Sorry i don't know how to make the link thing, and i actual don't know how the infobox for We Are Young Money isn't that of a compilation album.Str8cash (talk) 05:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Blogs and fansites do not meet WP:RS. – Chase  ( talk ) 15:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Half of those aren't blogs or fansites, genius, "New Lil Wayne", "Lil Wayne HQ", and "Young Money HQ" are all official. Str8cash (talk) 16:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please be civil. Also, those are fansites. The only official Lil Wayne/Young Money websites are lilwayne-online.com and weareyoungmoney.com. – Chase  ( talk ) 20:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 17:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * keep. according to its article, young money has charted, at #1 in some instances. i think that's notable enough. Qö₮$@37 (talk) 17:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Yeah but the point is that there is already an article with that and more on Young Money Entertainment so this page is basically just a copy of that page. Str8cash (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The label and the group are different. The discography should not be at the Young Money Entertainment article. The group is independently notable apart from the label. – Chase  ( talk ) 21:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 *  Chase  is right. they're both separate subjects. Qö₮$@37 (talk) 22:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Ovious Delete this is like if we made a page for the artists that were on The Re-Up. This page is useless. A Redirect is okay too. STAT- Verse 03:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * However, with Re-Up, there are reliable sources to verify it is simply a compilation to promote the label's artists. There are no such sources for We Are Young Money. – Chase  ( talk ) 06:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I think i even just gave 9 reliable sources where Young Money is also called a compilation if you look at my comment a few posts back, if you just google "Young Money Compilation" then there are several thousands of articles calling it that before it was called We Are Young Money, even wikipedia called it the Young Money Collaboration Album in its premature stages over a year ago. Face it,  Chase , you got nothin'. Str8cash (talk) 17:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * None of those are reliable sources. Perhaps you should read WP:RS; random hip hop blogs are far from reliable. – Chase  ( talk ) 18:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * As sated in the first Paragraph of the album: We Are Young Money is the first collaboration studio album from Young Money Entertainment. Key Word Young Money Entertainment This will most likly be the only album they will release. STAT- Verse 07:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So we're going to base the decision of what this is off of an original research sentence from a Wiki article (we don't cite ourselves as a reliable source)? – Chase  ( talk ) 18:15, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 07:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: Relisted to generate more discussion about sources. I ask that editors who wish to retain this article separate from Young Money Entertainment provide a reliable source that demonstrates that Young Money is a hip hop group. Second, please provide links to the reliable sources that provide significant coverage about this topic. Third, are there any reliable sources that verify that Young Money and Young Money Entertainment are not the same? Cunard (talk) 07:18, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Allmusic refers to them as a rap group. May I also ask you if there are any reliable sources that verify that they are the same? The argument works both ways. – Chase  ( talk ) 21:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC) ETA: If there aren't sources that can verify that the two are the same, then we should assume they are different. – Chase  ( talk ) 21:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you providing the source. I have no position about whether or not Young Money and Young Money Entertainment are the same because there is not enough here to sway me to one side or the other. Are there any reliable sources that establish that Young Money passes Notability (organizations)? If not, this should not be a separate article. Cunard (talk) 23:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Young Money the label is notable; they have released albums by notable artists such as Lil Wayne and Drake. – Chase  ( talk ) 00:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Good points, but BalthCat's argument below is also fairly convincing. I'll have to remain neutral for this one. Cunard (talk) 01:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. There is nothing to substantiate this article.  A later redirect might be okay.   JBsupreme  ( talk ) ✄ ✄ ✄	 13:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge: Ok, this was a harder call than I was expecting... It is not up to us to decide whether a supergroup is simply a promotional gimmick.  Album tracklistings, such as here are clearly not in a v/a compilation format.   However the wording of the weareyoungmoney site is even less helpful, as the compilation is titled "We Are Young Money - All Young Money".  Since there is only one album so far, a merge (with redirect, or disambiguation) would be acceptable.  However to suggest we have the leeway to declare unilaterally that their self-identification as a group invalid or not genuine enough is too much.   - BalthCat (talk) 17:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.