Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Young Muscle Magazine


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Young Muscle Magazine

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Non-notable magazine, launched just a few months ago. The article creator (now indef-blocked) had a clear conflict of interest. This article was speedy-deleted once already. Then it was re-created, prodded, prod removed. Subsequent speedy-delete nominations were declined. This magazine may be notable eventually, but "future notability" is not a reason to keep. =Axlq 03:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Tagged for speedy deletion as blatant advertising. Alexius08 (talk) 12:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree it's blatant advertising; there is no other reason to submit a Wikipedia article about an obscure magazine that was just launched. However, even though it has been speedily deleted once already, subsequent requests have been declined by administrators. =Axlq 16:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete because it's not eligible for speedy. The article is at least trying to be encyclopedic; however there's nothing demonstrated that would make it notable (And with such cheesy-looking covers, I doubt it will last long enough to achieve notability). Daniel Case (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The following is copy and pasted from the article's talk page.

I am not sure the problem. This article for Young Muscle Magazine is laid out and described as all other magazines on this website. It does not have as much information as other publications, because it is a new publication.- Paige 04:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Presely11 (talk) 04:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC) — Presely11 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * That is the problem. The magazine is totally non-notable, because it is a new publication, only a few weeks old. Therefore it shouldn't have a Wikipedia article until it becomes notable in some way. Also, the fact that other magazines have articles isn't a reason for this article to exist. =Axlq 04:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Still, I declined the speedy because it's not blatant advertising as G11 requires. Use WP:PROD or WP:AFD to discuss and delete articles without notability. SoWhy 07:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just because the wrong speedy tag is there, doesn't mean the deletion should be declined. The tag should have referenced A7 instead, and I see the speedy tag has now been correctly placed. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Young Muscle Magazine has been published for the past 8 months, and has made appearances and been recognized in such events as the International Miss Italia Competition and the show I Love Money on Vh1 featuring Dave Amerman, the cover model as well as John Basedow's fitness presentations. Young Muscle Magazine also had it's release party for the latest edition at the Hawaiian Tropic Zone in times square (NYC), been featured on Channel 12 (NY) Sport's News Castor with anchor Michael Coleman and has been on a presentation circuit for the past year presenting at such colleges as Hofstra University and Nassau Community College. With over 27,000 people as fans on there MySpace I think its safe to say that Young Muscle Magazine is not small time or "non-notable". Please search google for Young Muscle Magazine and educate yourself. ~User:Presely11 (talk) 23:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC) — Presely11 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Please educate yourself about how Wikipedia works. It is your responsibility to ensure that the article contains verifiable and reliable evidence that a weeks-old magazine (not "8 months" if it was launched this summer) has sufficient notability to warrant having an article on it. =Axlq 16:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Young Muscle Inc. incorporated in October of 2007 and published an initial issue that was released as a health and fitness magazine in January of 2008 (9 months old*). The first issue that was recreated into a lifestyle magazine was released the end May of 2008(4 months old*) as the Summer Edition, The fall edition was launched in the beginning of September(Weeks old*) and the winter edition has a release date for just after thanksgiving. ~User:Presely11 (talk) 18:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC) — Presely11 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * If what you say above is true, I retract my "weeks old" statement. However, what you claim contradicts the article. And I still don't see evidence, complying with Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources, that confers notability. You should present your arguments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Young Muscle Magazine, not here, because that's where the deletion of this article will be decided. Be aware that it will be noted that your association with this publication gives you a conflict of interest. =Axlq 19:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I fixed the discrepancy of summer edition to say summer edition released in May 2008. As far my association, i believe it should be irrelevant at this point. I am putting up factual information on a print periodical, if this article gets deleted because I am associated with it, I will put up a post on our website and MySpace and have one of our 27,000 world wide fans post something here. But I feel that the association rule here on wikipedia is used to maintain integrity on a website and not have people posting information that is not encyclopedia material of themselves, not when it comes to corporate businesses and international companies. ~User:Presely11 (talk) 20:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * As per post on YMuscle.com I thought I would add in my two sense and let you all know that I am a subscriber to Young Muscle Magazine, and I live in England. I assure you all that Young Muscle Magazine is no small publication, maintaining more fans than companies like Armani Exchange and the Pickens Plan, I have made my additions to this article and sited Young Muscle Inc.'s exponential progress. This article is a valid article and should remain. =User talk:Mrmojo11 20:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC) — Mrmojo11 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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