Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Your Average Australian Yobbo


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The result was   Withdrawn per addition of sources, with consensus to keep. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Your Average Australian Yobbo

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Non-notable album, issued only in concerts; no reliable sources, et cetera. If this is deleted, please see that Category:Kevin Bloody Wilson albums is deleted too. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC) Withdrawn per addition of sources. Looks much better now. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article could use some work, but I found several reliable Google hits. Anthony Rupert (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Where? All I see are download sites and forums. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't realize those were download sites. Delete then. Anthony Rupert (talk) 21:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:Music, which states: "Individual articles on albums should include independent coverage. Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources." The sites provided above do not meet this criteria. PeterSymonds | talk  21:28, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   —Nick Dowling (talk) 22:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Unlike his daughter Jenny Talia, Kevin Bloody Wilson, while not quite a household name, is fairly well known in Australia, and while not my cup of tea, his albums sell reasonably well amongst his target demographic. For "reliable" sources are probably best found by looking through old editions of quality publications like Picture (what, no article!) and People.  Given the nature of the material and the target market, (a subset of anglo, working-class Australian men or less politely Bogans), it is unlikely that reliable sources will be found, hence the weak keep; but I would take a punt this has sold many more copies than most of the Australian albums with articles on this encyclopedia. -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep -- valid album release by a notable Australian artist. - Longhair\talk 00:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Longhair and Mattinbgn. The Aria awards only started in 1987 and he won best comedy album in that year with the successor to this album.  Google hits are not a reliable guide to notability for 1984.  Even when it comes to downwload sites - he is a notable artist when it comes to downloading -see for example this article authored by Agence-France press.  I suspect the download of his album is notable too - not totally sure where to go for sources on download statistics or sales - the artist claims sales in excess of 300,000 copies for this album  - how does one verify Australian album sales?--Matilda talk 00:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm still not seeing any reliable third party sources anywhere. Download sites are not an assertation of notability. Most keep arguments here are WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:USEFUL here, it seems. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Response - the criteria at Notability (music) states In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. The artist is notable - winner for example of an Aria award.  Not sure what "officially released" means.  He has it on his website.  You can download the album in lots of places.  I don't know what sources you would have access to for a 1984 release otherwise.  So the notability is based on the artist.  I note also his assertion that 300,000 sales for this album - more than most albums on wikipedia.  I don't know how to independently verify the sales figure but I don't see why it should be a lie.--Matilda talk 01:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The album was an official (re)release, sold widely in popular music and department stores at the time. As Matilda says, the artist is notable, this is just one of his many releases, perhaps even his first. -- Longhair\talk 01:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I would be fine with a merge to the comedian's page. There doesn't seem to be enough standalone notability for the album itself (heck, I can't even find cover art anywhere). Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cover art is now included within the article. -- Longhair\talk 01:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict times 2) That is was officially released is supported by http://www.aria.com.au/pages/ArchivedAustralianReleases-April2002.htm - released on CD by SMA This link indicates it is a Sony Music release http://www.sonybmg.com.au/cd/releaseDetails.do?catalogueNo=BBCD90797R It isn't my taste in music! but I think it deserves a place on wikipedia. Cover art can be found on the Sony page and on the Bigpond download page and ...--Matilda talk 01:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Standalone notability is claimed sales in excess of 300,000 --Matilda talk 01:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - the fact that he managed to sell over 22,000 copies purely at venues and by mail order, resulted in his signing with a major record label is a notable achievement. The resultant second album subsequently winning an ARIA award. The fact that the album also managed to sell in excess of 300,000 is a notable achievement especially for what was essentially an independent release. Dan arndt (talk) 06:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Top-selling debut album from a notable musician and comedian. --Canley (talk) 06:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


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