Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Your Black Muslim Bakery


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The result was speedy kept per WP:SNOW and WP:SK. Only delete vote was nominator. Non-admin closure. --Dhartung | Talk 10:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Your Black Muslim Bakery

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This article (Your Black Muslim Bakery)is not notable. It is about a small local business which was involved in some local news coverage. The business doesn't even exist anymore. No one will remember it exists in a years time. I hardly remember it now! Violates WP:NOTNEWS and doesn't meet WP:NOTABLE. Just because it had a lot of crimes in it, does not mean we need an article for every bakery, shop, or restaurant in every high crime urban area.Boomgaylove (talk) 01:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * delete-per aboveBoomgaylove (talk) 01:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Snowball (and speedy) keep - strange nomination, probably thousands of local and national news sources, has been persistently in the news and at the center of the community for decades. Wikidemo (talk) 01:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep notability is well-established, and article is well-sourced. -- MisterHand  (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 14:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - seems notable based on the documented history.  Gtstricky Talk or C 14:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * weak keep - I'm somewhat torn on this one. As Wikidemo says, requester Boomgaylove is obviously trying to make the topic sound as insignificant as possible by saying "small local business which was involved in some local news coverage", and also trying to make it sound like if we included this one, we'd have to list "every bakery, shop, or restaurant in every high crime urban area."  In reality this particular bakery IS unique and has been on national news multiple times.  So ignoring the incorrect commentary by the requester, and the obviously incorrect WP:NOTABLE (which is most obviously met with the General notability guideline), we are left with WP:NOTNEWS - which I actually find myself mostly agreeing with.  The tie breaker for me is it's indirect connection to the Nation of Islam series &mdash; Mrand  Talk • C 15:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Did a Google News search which shows 304 news stories over very long span of years, including a long story about the bakery in the Oakland Tribune June 16, 1974, which called it the"largest Bay area bakery specializing exclusively in natural food products." It had attained notability by the 1990's due to its commercial prominence as well as the operators' influence in local politics, even without the recent accusations of rape, kidnapping, murder, and torture. Notability is not temporary and in no way ends when a business folds. Substantial coverage (though not main subject) in International Herald Tribune, not a "local" news source , also coverage in today's New York Times . California papers continue steady coverage of the recent crime stories months after they broke. See   . Seems more than the typical local interest crime story, or lurid crime which gets a splash of widespread publicity. Satisfies WP:N. My neighborhood bakery tends not to get nationwide coverage for murder, rape, conspiracy, etc. Edison (talk) 16:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. As discussed above the bakery is clearly notable and of national, not merely local, interest. I think Mrand is right to question whether WP:NOTNEWS applies, but I think the ongoing coverage (including mention in today's New York Times!) and connections to other issues such as Nation of Islam gives this topic the required encyclopedicity. While it doesn't affect the AfD process, I have to add that this proposal is so skewed that it is difficult to assume good faith on the part of the proponent. --Srleffler (talk) 18:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * keep The Bakery has been repeatedly in the national news for over 15 years. WP:NOTNEWS does not apply since we aren't talking about a single event but an ongoing series of controversies. JoshuaZ (talk) 21:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep One of the most controversial businesses in Oakland with all of the problems that went on around it, including the problems with journalists who tried to investigate it and the owner's mayoral bid and the sexual assualt allegations. The notability is easily established.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Hundreds of news stories, spanning decades. --Sapphic (talk) 00:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Concur with most of what the other people said. Dragons flight (talk) 01:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Edison. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)


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