Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Your life its back (Venezuelan Movie)


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The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Daniel (talk) 11:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Your life its back (Venezuelan Movie)

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WP:TOOSOON article about a not-yet-released film, not properly sourced as the subject of sufficient reliable source coverage to exempt it from the primary notability criteria at WP:NFILM. As always, films are not automatically notable just because they've entered the production pipeline -- the minimum notability bar for most films is that they've been released, and films are supposed to get articles in advance of release only if they can be sourced to a substantial volume of production coverage, such that even if they collapsed and never came out at all they'd still likely be permanently notable anyway (e.g. Star Wars or Marvel films). But this just cites a tiny smattering of production coverage, nowhere near enough to confer permanent notability this far in advance of release. In addition, the page's title is completely unverified in any sources at all, and appears to be an original research attempt at inventing an English title for a film that doesn't have any known English title yet -- but "we don't even know what title the page should actually be at yet" is another reason why this would be too soon. ("Come Back to Life" would be a more appropriately idiomatic translation of the film's native-language title, but that's not properly verified as the English-title of this film either — remember that foreign-language films' English titles are not always literal translations of their original-language titles, so we can't just assume that its English title will necessarily be "Come Back to Life" just because its Spanish title is slated to be "Vuelve a la vida", and have to wait until a reliable source verifies that before we can title an article about it that way.) The film also has no article at all on the Spanish Wikipedia yet, even though it can hardly be more notable to the English-speaking world than it is in its own country. Bearcat (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Venezuela. Bearcat (talk) 18:44, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Good afteernoon
 * Thanks for your review alwways its good learn in this plataform.
 * The article have four citation from the principal newspaper of Venezuela. About the titlee its translated as that in  the official instagram account of the movie. in addition of that the film have noticed for be development by the directors of " Papita, Mani, Toston" The most sucess Venezuelan movie in recent years. About the spanish article, its in construction, some others  native languaje production dont have articles in wikipedia in spanish. GEORGEB1989 (talk) 21:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Caracas, Te Quiero Que Jode and Papita, maní, tostón are previous work of hueck directors.
 * @Bearcat GEORGEB1989 (talk) 21:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It has three citations from newspapers — the fourth is an IMDB-like directory, not a newspaper — and three citations from newspapers is not enough to make a film notable while it's still only in the production pipeline. Films in the production pipeline can collapse and fail to ever get released at all, so you need a lot of production coverage, not just three hits, to make a film notable in advance of release — as in so much production coverage that even if the film did collapse, its failure would be permanently notable in its own right. Normally, films are not notable at all until we can source a firm premiere date, and even after the premiere some films can still fail to pass our inclusion criteria at all: films still just don't always get the necessary depth of coverage at all, so they simply aren't exempted from having to have good sourcing just because they've been released. And what other films the directors made is irrelevant, as notability is not inherited, and you've also failed to address the problem with the page title at all. Bearcat (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 *  Weak Keep per WP:NFILM, since there are sources about its principal photography, it has already been screened at the Guadalajara Film Festival and outher sources allow the article to meet WP:GNG and WP:NEXIST:.


 * That said, the article is in poor shape and could really use improvement. --NoonIcarus (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment I did some improvements to the article. There probably are going to be even more sources once the film is screened to the public, but the current coverage should warrant it being kept. --NoonIcarus (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed,Rosguill talk 19:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 10:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per the above. The sources are minimal from a WP:NFF perspective.  Not enough that I'd recommend creating an article, but not so sparse that I'd recommend deletion in the face of an upcoming scheduled release.  Eluchil404 (talk) 23:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Opportunity to evaluate new sources. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Arbitrarily0   ( talk ) 22:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Update: I have included a Reception section and found more sources: . --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - improvements made by NoonIcarus appear to address the issues raised now Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


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