Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yousef Al-Obaidly


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The result was no consensus. There's clearly some coverage but no consensus regarding whether it meets GNG. Not sure we are goingt oget there in this discussion. Fenix down (talk) 16:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Yousef Al-Obaidly

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. Potentially notable.  scope_creep Talk  17:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 19:54, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep 28 citations on the article means a certain amount of notability, and to say there is no evidence of notability is just strange delete argument in my opinion with that amount of coverage in the article. I dare say it does feel rather a lot of WP:ROUTINE, a few citations have decent coverage. But the rest, well, but it does build an overall picture of the guy and that's why I've gone with weak keep. Govvy (talk) 13:52, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no references. The first three references should provide some kind of web page, review, pdf or document to say he is alive and notable, but there is nothing. Instead the first reference is a profile page of his business, which means its self-published, per WP:NOT For a BLP the reference must be high-quality and satisfy WP:V and WP:BIO at very least.   scope_creep Talk  14:14, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - Saw the deletion notice, I vote keep as the sources need improving but a few do go into depth on his actions e.g. citation 2 (https://www.sportspromedia.com/from-the-magazine/juventus-agnelli-donahoe-nike-al-obaidly-bein-ten-influencers-2020-sports), 23 (http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2019/10/08/worst-nightmare-beins-al-obaidly-tells-sleep-walking-rights-owners-tv-bubble-burst/) and 28 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52375947). Article needs improvement not deletion. Floss With Me (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Editor is a WP:SPA. None of these are in-depth, independent, reliable and secondary. These refs above are passing mention only and don't assert WP:SIGCOV. There is lots of coverage but the quality reference are not there. I'll go through the references.   scope_creep Talk  16:56, 17 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Review of first 10 references:
 * Profile on his own site. Fails WP:NOT
 * Ten Influencers 2020. No biographical info in it. Fails WP:BIO. X of Y article. Non-RS.
 * [Premier League steps up war on piracy to protect TV deals] Paywalled but assuming WP:AFG likely to be a passing mention. BeIN chief executive Yousef Al-Obaidly asked More passing mentions.
 * . More passing mentions.
 * Yousef Al-Obaidly has been appointed as the president of French pay-TV channel beIN Sports France. Appointment notice. 3 small paragraphs and Yousef Al-Obaidly mentioned twice. Fails WP:SIRS and WP:BIO.
 * Yousef Mohammed Al Obaidly. Small profile page. Fails WP:SIRS
 * Interview page. Talks all about the company. No bio information. No published editorial control.
 * beIN promotes Yousef Al-Obaidly to CEO Standard announcement. Small interview. Non-RS.
 * Not backing down: BeIN CEO Yousef Al-Obaidly on the uncomfortable truth of sports broadcast piracy This is very long interview, but has little bio info to satisfy a WP:BLP article, it is all business.
 * Standard announcement. Non-RS.

The majority of the references are passing mentions, or all about the company. There is 1 big interview, but it is all business. Fails WP:BIO. Lots of WP:MILL BeIN business coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV. The rest of the refs are the same. All branding, no depth.  scope_creep Talk  21:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: seems like we might be creeping towards delete, but not seeing clear consensus right now. A little more input in the last week, but no harm keeping open for one more week in case anyone else wants to input.
 * Delete: 's source analysis shows this does not meet WP:SIGCOV. It is critical to strictly follow guidelines for BLPs.  // Timothy ::  talk  07:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 11:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC) ""The chief executive of the Qatar-based TV giant beIN Sport, Yousef al-Obaidly, has written to the chairs of top-flight clubs about the deal, which could see the Magpies bought by a Saudi-backed consortium.
 * Redirect to beIN Media Group - plausible search term. It is quite clear that this individual lacks significant coverage from reliable sources about them as an individual; the reliable sources cited seem to focus more on the company that he is CEO of rather than himself Spiderone  11:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom's analysis of sources. The subject fails the GNG as well as WP:BIO  Java Hurricane  12:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)￼
 * Comments Is this a politically motivated deletion request? I fail to see the benefit of this deletion and I don't know why, but scope_creep nomination seems somewhat aggressive in his point of view towards SIGCOV. So Al-Obaidly is mentioned in many of the citations provided by name. The BBC one writes

In the letter, Al-Obaidly accuses the Saudi Arabian government of the "facilitation of the near three-year theft of the Premier League's commercial rights - and in turn your club's commercial revenues - through its backing of the huge-scale beoutQ pirate service".

"It is no exaggeration to say that the future economic model of football is at stake," added Al-Obaidly, who has also written to Premier League chief executive Richard Masters.""

The BBC are writing direct quotations and naming the person for it. The businessyear.com interviewed and profile the man, with Sportspromedia.com. Seriously, a google search provides the guy exists and gives credence to notability. I've seen far worse articles kept. There are now 31 citations, it's not about what each citation says or does, it's about building the story, using everything together that creates the content. So I am sorry, but this is just plain targeted deletion and I don't like that. Govvy (talk) 13:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: the analysis of the first ten sources shows that biographical notability has not been established.   SITH   (talk)   13:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Spiderone. Not notable, but alternatives to deletion must be considered, and when one is available, it should be taken. Smartyllama (talk) 19:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, seems to pass WP:GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:44, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you explain why it is worth keep, particularly when the consensus is moving towards delete?   scope_creep Talk  16:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


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