Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Youth hunger strike for democracy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After being relisted twice, it does not appear that there is clear consensus in either direction. There is certainly good recent coverage of the topic, and it is too early to tell whether there will be lasting coverage. I am closing this for now and noting that in the future the article may be nominated again for deletion and re-evaluated in the future.  Malinaccier ( talk ) 14:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Youth hunger strike for democracy

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Local/regional news story shows no signs of lasting coverage. This defies WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS and would be better suited for a single line on the Kyrsten Sinema page. It also seems like the page was created by. Wikipedia is not a blog or online portfolio for any would-be journalists or activists. KidAd •  SPEAK  02:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment More than 40 people from all over the country participated in the hunger strike that lasted for 15 days. The hunger strikers were on MSNBC and ABC News multiple times. They were covered in depth by Mother Jones, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Salon, The Guardian, and many other national papers. Please check out the links to the articles and TV interviews. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningmosberger (talk • contribs) 03:24, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify for not more than six months, at which point notability should be reconsidered: I'm not seeing evidence of the protest's impact. Just getting themselves a meeting with a senator is not enough. This is too soon for an article—if the protest carries some lasting significance, it can be moved back (in a much more neutral tone and article title). If this is kept in any form (including draftification), its title should be changed to "2021 Arizona hunger strike" or something of the like. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 04:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The name of the article has been changed. The definition of "notability" for wikipedia article is that there're multiple reputable sources referring to the event. This event has been reported on national TV, newspapers and magazines. There are at least 40 original reports and coverage on this event nationally. Regarding the impact, 40 people were willing to sacrifice their health and stop eating for days on - how often does this occur? btw, I'm requesting a global name change as the original requester of deletion was using my personal info as part of the reason for their recommendation (which is very improper, FWIW). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningmosberger (talk • contribs) 04:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment On the other hand, we have non-draft articles like this on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_broccoli_comments — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningmosberger (talk • contribs) 05:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the OP should not have cited your personal information. However, I don't appreciate you looking through my contributory history. The reason that George H. W. Bush broccoli comments exists in mainspace, and this article should not, is that the former article has demonstrated a lasting significance over time with respect to presidential health, campaign messaging, and the broccoli industry. The latter has not demonstrated that has had an effect on state policy, hunger strikes, or even prompted a national discussion of some kind. And that's because the protest ended yesterday. We have a guideline for this, it's WP:TOOSOON—I'd read that as well. This protest is unique, and interesting, but neither of those are mentioned in our guidelines for inclusion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 06:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I did not mean any disrespect by including “personal information” in my nomination rationale. I only did so because the page’s creator uses their given name as their username. And the photos uploaded on the page were uploaded by someone of the same name. Anyone can Google that name and find a semi-public person. I made the assumption that this page was designed to be an extension of a public figure’s journalism work. Per WP:OUTING, Posting another editor's personal information is harassment, unless that person has voluntarily posted their own information, or links to such information, on Wikipedia. Either way, I have redacted my mention of their name in the deletion rationale. KidAd  •  SPEAK  06:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:48, 28 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Thank you for removing reference to my personal info. This article has nothing to do with me. In fact I didn't even know that readers could see my username so easily otherwise I'd have never used it (and have since requested a global user name change after I saw your comment). And the reason I used the photos I took is that I don't want to get into copyright issues. This article has everything to do with 20-40 kids who sacrificed their health (and risked their lives) to stand up for something that they really cared about. And they have made a difference! They had talked to dozens of Congressional folks since they were in DC. Three Texas House Representatives came to DC to support them because of voter suppression in Texas that can only be addressed by a federal law. Senator Merkley (who was the primary sponsor of the For the People Act) mentioned the kids on Twitter. Senator Kelly met with them. The Senators knew that they were there. The White House knew that they were there. Even though the Senate didn't pass the bill yet, Senate Majority Leader Schumer wrote yesterday that the democracy bills would be voted again in the first week when they return. They were on Washington Post, Mother Jones, MSNBC, ABC, Fox, The Guardian, The Politico, and more. They already *had an impact*, whether the bill will eventually pass or not. Also, someone changed the title to "Arizona hunger strike" which is incorrect. They only spent 5 days in Arizona, and 10 days in DC in front of the White House. At the end, half of the kids on hunger strike were not from Arizona. They came from all over the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningmosberger (talk • contribs) 08:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Regarding "Posting another editor's personal information is harassment, unless that person has voluntarily posted their own information, or links to such information, on Wikipedia.": well, in fact, I did not "post my own information or links to" my personal information. You googled my username, which isn't information that I voluntarily posted. Just sayin' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningmosberger (talk • contribs) 08:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't believe the WP:TOOSOON is applicable. Here is the description for WP:TOOSOON: "While there are topics that might arguably merit an article, sometimes it is simply too soon. Generally speaking, the various notability criteria that guide editors in creating articles require that the topic being considered be itself verifiable in independent secondary reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor is it a collection of unverifiable content. It is an encyclopedia that must be reliable. If sources do not exist, it is generally too soon for an article on that topic to be considered." As I mentioned above, the hunger strike has been covered in over 40 original articles or TV interviews, some of them included in the reference list. They are verifiable, independent, and substantial coverages of the event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ningmosberger (talk • contribs) 08:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant WP:PERSISTENCE. To quote Leo McGarry, "in this day and age, these kids are phenomenal". But they would either need lasting coverage or a shown impact to qualify for inclusion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 04:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Regarding Impact: Right after the Senate dismissed the session, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer made this statement: "Additionally, please be advised that shortly after the 117th Congress resumes in January, the Senate will consider voting rights legislation, as early as the first week back." and "If Senate Republicans continue to abuse the filibuster and prevent the body from considering this bill, the Senate will then consider changes to any rules which prevent us from debating and reaching final conclusion on important legislation." It's difficult to prove impact, but the hunger strike definitely moved the needle in the right direction. Several Senators were tweeting about the hunger strike before they left DC. If the US Congress manages to pass the most significant voting reforms since the Civil Rights Movement (and even if they don't pass), we owe a debt of gratitude to these kids.


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