Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ysabel Bisnath


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Ysabel Bisnath

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This article is about a living person with reputable sources covering one specific event only. See WP:BLP1E. A previous AfD discussion deleted a large number of related articles, but not this one: Articles_for_deletion/Roxanne_Allison_Baeyens. This article fits the same category. PrimalBlueWolf (talk) 06:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 07:06, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Trinidad and Tobago-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 07:06, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:BLP1E clearly applies. (Not directly relevant, but an editor claims that Bisnath no longer wants to be identified as the beauty pageant winner yet still have an article about her. In that case, fails GNG.) David notMD (talk) 11:30, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per WP:BLP1E. Only notable for the one event. My searches (admittedly only in English) don't find anything to suggest she's notable in her current career as a lawyer. Neiltonks (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Question Have discussions been held before about whether or not winning a beauty pageant established notability? I'm not aware of any, but this might potentially set quite a precedent. Winning a national Miss World pageant, and then competing in a global version, is basically the only claim to notability that many of the competitors of these sorts of competitions have. I clicked on a few links at random from the template on the bottom of the article, (Trần Tiểu Vy, Natalya Stroeva, Larissa Ping and Jannatul Ferdous Oishee) and they're all the same: they won their national competition then competed in the global one. If that's BLP1E, they all need to go, and probably a few hundred (if not thousands) similar such articles. Does this need wider discussion than a single AfD? Girth Summit  (blether)  16:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There’s the one linked above in the nomination, which seems similar and resulted in a number of deletions. I can’t find any others (but that may be due to my lack of knowledge about how to locate them!) Neiltonks (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I really should read the nomination statement before doing anything else. That's a single deletion discussion about a bunch of articles, rather than a wider discussion on the concept of notability of winners of major pageants, but it's something. Looking at a few of the articles deleted as a result of the outcome of that discussion, I came across Tya Jané Ramey (now deleted), which was about the 2019 winner of Miss T&T, who also went on to Miss World 2019. So, in terms of claims to notability, she and this subject would be on pretty much the same level. The precedent has been set, it seems - but I'll be interested to hear what people think of 's SNG linked below. The deletion precedent, and that guideline (if that's really what it is), are not in accordance.
 * I'll add that, if it is decided that these people aren't actually notable, we probably ought to redirect to the article about the pageant rather than flat-out delete them. Girth Summit  (blether)  18:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have been operating under the presumption that national level major Miss pageants winners are notable, but not subnational major pageants or national level minor pageants winners. I haven't yet seen an AFD that violated this presumption, not that I've seen many AFDs in this area. I also expect that calling a Miss [Country] win an 1E would be major shift. In my own country, as of when I still followed these sort of things, there was only one major national pageant. The winner would be Miss Nepal who always met WP:GNG and went to Miss World. The runner up may or may not have met GNG and went to Miss Universe. How does it work in T&T? Are there more than one Miss T&T's? The fact that she went to Miss World suggests she won the biggest one even if there are many. Or is Miss Universe considered more important elsewhere? Considering the number of Miss Universe participant bios under discussion right now, it appears Universe is still smaller than World in pageantland.We should also be mindful of WP:BIAS. Has any Miss [Country] bio ever been deleted before? Are we going to delete Miss T&T without a certainty that T&T people and media completely ignore the pageant, unlike everywhere else? Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Following the delsort notice, I landed at (has to be unofficial, but is not clearly marked as such) WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Notability (beauty pageant participants) which is likely the closest thing to a documentation of prevailing consensus. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Usedtobecool The reason it is unofficial is that it is a WikiProject guideline. These do not override the general notability guidelines: see the last paragraph of WP:SNG. Perhaps this does warrant larger discussion? PrimalBlueWolf (talk) 05:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


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