Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuan Tengfei


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The result was   keep. The consensus is that the subjects meets the criteria for inclusion. Standard BLP guidelines would give guidance on what can and cannot go in the article, which should be sufficient to assuage privacy concerns.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 02:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Yuan Tengfei

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This article is a biography of a living person, a Chinese middle-school teacher who apparently made some hyperbolic and potentially inflammatory remarks in lectures recorded for classroom use. He received unwelcome public exposure when some of his remarks were posted on the internet, and is not otherwise notable. As the cited essay on a website devoted to covering "Chinese media, advertising, and urban life" says: "Yuan recently stated that it was not his intention to publish the video [...] He even pleaded for more privacy, arguing that what is done in a high school class room should go no further." I propose this article be deleted in keeping with the board resolution for "taking human dignity and respect for personal privacy into account [...] especially in articles of ephemeral or marginal interest." Ningauble (talk) 17:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete. No notability shown. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC).
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG. Described by a NYT article as "Perhaps the most famous maverick teacher in China,", and Korea Times has coverage of him giving a 110-minute lecture on state TV . More than suffices for notability. Ray  Talk 02:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: My !vote as nominator is almost neutral, but I brought it for discussion because I am concerned about the potential for harm from increased public scrutiny in cases or borderline notability. Coverage of his work, as cited above by Ray, and elsewhere, is interesting but does not have a much depth. Whether this sort of "fame" amounts to "notability" can be a tough call. Significantly, that fame appears to derive primarily from materials released on the internet that he did not intend for publication, rather than from being seen on TV or from his published works. Even though newsworthiness is evident, in the absence of deeper coverage of his work and its influence I think the presumption of encyclopedic notability is relatively weak. He may become more highly notable in the future as an education reformer (or political martyr) but, for the time being, it might be more appropriate to limit our coverage to relevant information in topical articles on Education in China than to make it personal with a biography. The present stub may appear to be innocuous, but to keep a stub on a person is to call for its expansion into a full-fledged biography. In light of his plea that "Every one please just chill out, concentrate on your own business,", his complaint that "It’s a tragedy for China that I say one or two true things and get so much attention,", and similar remarks elsewhere, I have serious reservations about exposing his personal biography to undue public scrutiny. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:44, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * To be sure, he's only a public person in a limited sense. But we have lots of biographies of people who are mostly private - BLP has rules governing what is and is not relevant to include in such a biography. It doesn't mean we don't cover them. Ray  Talk 00:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Keep, Yuan may be unknown in the western world, but, a search on Google using his Chinese name:, 袁腾飞, the result is:"About 4,320,000 results in 0.17 seconds". He has achieved a near celebrity status in Chinese blogosphere.  Arilang   talk  12:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 09:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


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 * Comment Yuan Tengfei did not plead his case for privacy on Wikipedia. If the celebrated blogger wants off of WP, I think he can find it. Anarchangel (talk) 02:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
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