Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yukio Kawabe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 02:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Yukio Kawabe

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This article does not meet the established requirements for notability per WP:NMMA. Willdawg111 (talk) 05:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

*Delete: FAILS WP:NMMA. Willdawg111 (talk) 05:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak keep — The article meets WP:NSUMO: Kawabe has been ranked in the top Makuuchi division.  Poison  Whiskey  15:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: If you want to use his Sumo to establish notability, then the article needs to be about his Sumo and not about his MMA. If you want to keep this article, consider deleting the MMA and write him up as a Sumo competitor, because as this article sits right now, it doesn't even come close to meeting notability. I'm not that familiar with the Sumo circuits, so I don't know what they would require for him to be notable for Sumo, but if the MMA is removed, I would have no issue with the article being kept.Willdawg111 (talk) 16:06, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Well except for the table it appears there is an equal weight between the MMA and Sumo. The article is just a Stub and that is the biggest problem not notability.  By the by - top Sumo players compete way more times per year than any MMA professional - albeit the match often lasts seconds rather than minutes.  A table would be huge.Peter Rehse (talk) 03:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 03:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 December 23.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  03:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - if he's competed in both MMA and Sumo, then in no way should one portion be deleted for the other. Lukeno94 (talk) 22:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment His MMA doesn't give him notability. If he does have notability for his Sumo, there isn't any Sumo information in the article to defend that notability. So if he is notable for his Sumo, that information needs to be in the article. Agreed? Willdawg111 (talk) 06:22, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ummm the article has a referenced mention of 16 years in the top sumo division. That would give about 650 matches if you assume the minimum 8 matches per basho, 5 bashos per year.  Good luck with that table.Peter Rehse (talk) 07:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep His notability is in sumo, not MMA, but the fact is he meets WP:NSPORTS. More documentation and text would be nice, but his notability is clear. Jakejr (talk) 15:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment There is very little actually done to this article, other than put a chart up of his 3 MMA losses. If somebody actually wants to put some time into the article, put something together about his Sumo career. Atleast several, legit, paragraphs with some references, then I would come back and say lets withdraw this and keep the article. As the article stand right now, I just don't see anything worth while keeping, there's just hardly anything there. Willdawg111 (talk) 08:05, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 02:35, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment There is only 2 sentences (half of which has nothing to do with Sumo) and a table with 3 MMA losses, which he clearly doesn't have notability for his MMA, which nobody is disputing. It looks like somebody started this article a year ago and never came back to finish it up. If nobody has interest in actually putting time in to make this a legit article, let's remove it. If somebody wants to work on it later, then they can finish it and re-submit it.Willdawg111 (talk) 04:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if the information isn't there. He's notable. --LlamaAl (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Because of his Sumo career, not MMA. Needs a lot more sourcing and prose about his Sumo career. Luchuslu (talk) 00:48, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Fails WP:NMMA, but passes WP:NSUMO. --LlamaAl (talk) 01:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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