Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yulia Shisko


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Since no-one has demonstrated evidence that there are separate sources thatd escribe the subject separately from the band and notability is not inherited, the best policy based arguments are the delete one. Spartaz Humbug! 04:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Yulia Shisko

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Not nearly enough significant coverage seen.  — fetch ·  comms   02:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Notability due to wide inter-European/ international coverage in the 2010 Eurovision song contests. Also she was a finalist on a TV show. IJA (talk) 02:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep this is an obvious keeper. Eurovision notability, plus other musical projects.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 10:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * fair enough but probably premature... many others could be bracketed as having similar claims to fame in the past but would generally now be assessed as not worthy of a Wikipedia article--Stephencdickson (talk) 12:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * well that isn just pure speculation and not anything we can take a stand in right now... so keep the article for future evaluation. Especially in the light that the group could win Eurovision or get notable fame after eurovision.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 14:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Sure, Eurovision song contests has notability, and the formation 3+2 may also, but I don't see anything for Yulia Shisko alone. Dewritech (talk) 08:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I really dont understand you reasons.. if being in Eurovision is notable and being a member of 3+2 is notable...then how can Yulia Shisko as a person Not be notable?. By the way one of the other members has already been Not deleted so deleting this one on grounds of non-notability doesnt work.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There are no valid sources for Yulia Shisko alone. Being a member of 3+2 doesn't justify a seperate article. Dewritech (talk) 15:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it does if you implying that being a member of 3+2 and being part of Eurovision is notable. As Yulia is part of both these two notable subjects.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 00:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * We cant neither say as of this moment that Yulia wont get alot of attention after the Eurovision final tomorrow. Perhaps get a solo career et.c Or that 3+2 becomes a huge popular group or even wins the Eurovision. She will get alot more internet matches soon after eurovision. And to say that a person who has singed infront of an audience that could be up to 500 million people isnt notable.. is just wrong. To delete this article is not right. I rest my case.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (t) (c) 23:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per notability. eurovision. own career. etc.etc--195.84.41.1 (talk) 06:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Does this Afd really need a relisting...? Its an obvious Non consensus discussion. There will never be a definite delte or keep decision i think. I still stand by my Keep opinion.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 23:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * FWIW, without taking a view on the subject, I would be reluctant to see us close as non-consensus on the basis of such a limited exchange of views, especially for a BLP. If more people look at it, they may be able to clarify whether it meets our customary standards in the area.  DGG ( talk ) 22:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are still 4 saying keep and "only" one saying delete as of a Afd discussion that has been going on since May 27. But I cans ee your point of view to.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 22:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I still don't see any major sign of notability from Eurovision that justifies a separate article from 3+2--Google shows 1000 hits, only, while 3+2 has over a million (Google skips the "+", so I added "Belarus" in that search).  — fetch ·  comms   02:00, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. But it would just look strange that one article is notable in accordance with users and then anothe rmembe rof the same band is not. But i dont know.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just another comment, but on the official page of 3+2 the name is romanised as "Yuliya Shyshko". So if you adjust for different variations to romanise Юлия Шишко and add combinations of this there are more than "only" 1k Google entries.  And this might be the Russian spelling variant, not Belarusian, but I don't know what the differences between those two alphabets are, nor the official way to romanise them.  The same is also the case with the names for the other members in the group.  Laniala (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete- Individually not notable at all. Off2riorob (talk) 10:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How do you mean? Seems a bit vage to me?--ÅlandÖland (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How less vague can I be, she is not at all notable in any way. She is a wana be singer in a wanabe band of no note that was belrauses choice in the euro song comp, the band already has an article, there is nothing in citations about her and most of the content in the article now is uncited. Off2riorob (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems to be your personal opiniopn about her and the band than the actual truth. the truth is that Yulia along with 3+2 has represented Belarus at one of the worlds biggest music competition. Its like saying that Usain Bolt should be redirected into the Jamaica article or similar..--ÅlandÖland (talk) 12:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Surely it's better to redirect to 3+2 (band)? I concur that there appears to be no significant coverage in reliable sources. Tim Song (talk) 05:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Its like saying that Usain Bolt or sutch should be redircted into the Jamaica article, its just the same thing Yulia and 3+2 has represented a whole nation at a huge music competition and has established notability trough that and other musical projects.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 12:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is totally incomparable to Usain Bolt who is so notable it is untrue, a three times world record winner. This person is not wikipedia notable in any way, there is no coverage about her at all. As Tim comments...redirect to the band. Off2riorob (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well Yulia made it all the way to the final beating out about 20 other contestants for a place in the final. In a televised event which probably was watched by mnay more viewers than usian bolt when he took world records. With your reasoning Usain Bolt should definitly be redirected to the 2008 Summer Olympics or Jamaica article. You see it doeasnt make sense. But lets not argu about that. lets see how this afd end ups. Just dont see a reason to delete or merge an article with a notable person which also has a image and has appeared in one of the most viewed televised events in the world.. or are you an american? in that case you really shouldnt take part in this discussion as you probably dont understand how huge the Eurovision is in Europe.. but that is only in case you are an not-european.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 22:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.