Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yumi Shimura (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was withdrawn. I disagree, in the strongest terms possible, that having a long list of credits should be enough for inclusion on Wikipedia if there is a specific lack of non-trivial coverage by reliable third party publications, but apparently WP:ENTERTAINER says these people can continue to skate by on Wikipedia for now. Thank you to everyone who weighed in on this case. JBsupreme ( talk ) 21:56, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Yumi Shimura
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Delete. Voice acting in a couple games or films does not make one inherently notable. Non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications is lacking here. JBsupreme (talk) 20:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --Calathan (talk) 21:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Her reoccurring roles as Chisame Hasegawa in Negima! Magister Negi Magi and Kanaria in Rozen Maiden may be enough to pass WP:ENTERTAINER. Kanaria has a significant role in Rozen Maiden: Ouvertüre and Chisame Hasegawa's significance increases with each new OVA. —Farix (t &#124; c) 22:39, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I just sourced with reliable sources the roles mentioned by the Farix plus one more support role. The Unsourced BLP argument is no more on the table now. --KrebMarkt 23:10, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Kreb. Do you feel that this person has been the recipient of non-trivial coverage from reliable third party publications?  JBsupreme (talk) 23:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * @JBsupreme Spare me your contempt and your condescending tone. That at least your third Japanese voice actors Afd and you can't ignore that WP:ENTERTAINER enters in play. --KrebMarkt 07:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Established precedent, including the previous AfD, is that lead voice acting roles are among the sort of lead roles recognized by WP:ENTERTAINER as making one a notable entertainer. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I was not asking you, but since you answered I'll take that as a no. JBsupreme (talk) 01:50, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Quasirandom is point out that there are other criteria, such as WP:ENTERTAINER, that are used when determining notability. A topic only has to pass one of those criteria. However, the question about third-party sources can't be definitively answered until someone checks through the Japanese VA magazines. Unfortunately, I don't think any of us on the English language Wikipedia have those magazines readily available. —Farix (t &#124; c) 02:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hitoshi Doi's seiyu database includes summaries of the contents of seiyu magazines, which are searchable by the name of the person you are looking for. For Yumi Shimura, it lists four interviews or articles, all in volumes of hm3 Special.  If you click on the details for each magazine, it says that two of them are 2 page interviews of her and one other person, one is a 1 page interview of her and one other person, and one is a 1 page article that provides information on her and 4 other people.  Of course since you can't see the actual content of the magazine, that doesn't help with writing the article, but you might be able to judge notability based on the amount of coverage. Calathan (talk) 06:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Voice Newtype issue #16 again once interview with one other person. --KrebMarkt 07:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Per above, and all of the sources there are in anime credits as sources. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Also sourced her video games roles in Arcana Heart and Ar Tonelico 2 & 3. If we keep the count that 4 recurring support role + 1 support role. --KrebMarkt 08:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Has quite a notable series of work. If you doubt the sources, you can always look at the credits in those series.   D r e a m Focus  21:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm on the thin line here as to both whether her roles are important enough to pass WP:ENTERTAINER and whether the coverage is sufficient to pass WP:BIO. Taken together -- and one should always be assessing the subject as a whole -- however, I think that's enough to show she is notable. As such, keep. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Has had a few important roles and there's a good amount of sourcing considering the language barrier. Edward321 (talk) 03:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep borderline case. Some recurrent supports roles and some coverages. However the coverage is not on the person itself but in the series the voice actor worked on. Interviewing the voice actor is just another mean to cover the anime series. That subtlety needed to be marked. --KrebMarkt 08:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


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