Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yunis Al Astal


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The result was   keep. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yunis Al Astal

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WP:BLP1E. Coverage of this person is limited to one recent event. Policy is clear: Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but essentially remains a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them. Atmoz (talk) 19:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep – He is a MP, which is cited and refenced, and is of itself, an accepted reason for inclusion here at Wikipedia under notability guide lines. Thanks - ShoesssS Talk 19:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you mean one of the sub-guidelines for notability, because he hasn't "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". In the 2 sources in the article, he is mentioned trivially in both of them. Because someone is a Hamas MP, that makes them notable? If it does, I disagree with it. -Atmoz (talk) 20:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Than I am sorry and you should start requesting AFDS for every Congressman - Senator - British MP - and every other elected official in the free world. However, sorry to say, one of the notability guide lines here at Wikipedia says, if elected you are in.  Though you may disagree with either the politics or Agenda policy says otherwise.  Thanks - ShoesssS Talk 23:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. So he has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject? -Atmoz (talk) 23:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yes, and your point? ShoesssS Talk 23:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you perhaps produce them, please? -Atmoz (talk) 23:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - In that they are already referenced and cited in the piece itself, I believe you are proposing a fallacious argument. However, to satisfy other editors that will visit this discussion, this should do [ http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61582 ].  Thanks - ShoesssS Talk 00:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Being a Hamas MP is enough. Another point: there are about 74 Hamas MPs - This guy is the only one to be named and shamed by the British Home Secretary. Þjóðólfr (talk) 20:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * delete - non notable, only claim to fame is being on a list William M. Connolley (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Being a Hamas MP is notable, being the only one banned from the UK is very notable. Andrewjlockley (talk) 00:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete article does not establish that he passes notability criteria even for WP:POLITICIAN. Where is the significant coverage in secondary sources (aside for the newsbite?). --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 01:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:POLITICIAN: "People who have held international, national or first-level sub-national political office, including members of a legislature and judges." The question to ask is whether the Hamas parliament counts for this guideline, but I think we throw out any semblance of WP:NPOV if we claim that Hamas's parliament confers less notability than all 50 US state legislatures, members of which qualify under this guideline. Oren0 (talk) 02:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable as   a politician. The Hamas parliament counts. The legitimacy of the government is not at issue. additional notability from the recent news event. What the article needs is expansion.DGG (talk) 05:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The article certainly meets the politician requirement which alone is adequate for inclusion, especially given the unique status of that parliament being the first ever for the Hamas organization over a territory they now control for the first time. Also, given the unprecedented nature of Britain's actions in openly designating a very small group of people for exclusion from the country, the targets of that action should certainly be fleshed out as to the views, actions, etc., that culminated in such targeting. He is not simply "on a list," but is notable for the very reasons the British Home Secretary found him so uniquely notable (which in itself rebuts the notion that he is "low-profile")--his activities in inciting to violence and his leadership in Hamas in those efforts.  As such, he certainly meets the primary definition of WP:BIO of being " 'worthy of notice'; that is, 'significant, interesting, or unusual' ."  Given the recent nature of his international notoriety, further development by outside, independent sources is also likely. I agree that the article needs to be further developed in regard to the above.  --John G. Miles (talk) 08:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as per above and expand to include more secondary sources. Symplectic Map (talk) 01:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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