Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ZVL Leiden


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The result was   no consensus. slakr \ talk / 02:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

ZVL Leiden

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Contested A7 speedy, notability concerns. No external RS references in article at time of submission. Tawker (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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I've added some references to the article. (as I am not a regular user (yet) I hope I did it properly). If more information is needed Please let me know. ZVL is one of the waterpolo powerhouses in Holland. The team competes in the European competition for several years already. triple cup and 2x national final. With this history (and expected future) I think a wiki article is in order Grasyerba (talk) 08:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC) 
 * Delete- Unable to find sources to establish notability of the subject. Well, it simply fails Wikipedia general notability guideline. is requested to find some wp:secondary, wp:independent and wp:reliable sources having substantial coverage of the subject to save the article for deletion, if there is some.  Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  15:39, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

 Hi, I've tried to research some other pages on Wiki to see what kind of info I needto add. I checked a couple of other waterpolo clubs as ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donk_Gouda ) and ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_Mediterrani ) but as these pages are correct, why is it that we need to submit extra info? The link on Mediterrani even doesn't work (but as a waterpolo enthousiast I know they are legit). It feels like there are different guidelines? I can ad the site of Manchester ( http://www.manchesterwaterpoloclub.co.uk/news.html ) or the LEN ( last year, poule C http://www.len.eu/Disciplines/water-polo/clubs-pages/euro-league-women.aspx ) but what else do you actually need? a link to the dutch Wiki site? Their is an extensive page of ZVL. This weekend the team won the dutch ManMeer!Cup for the second time in a row, third time in their (short) extinction ( http://www.waterpoloworld.nl/Nieuws/tabid/66/ArticleId/6711/news.aspx ) Meaby I do not understand properly what you are looking for in independent sources? Waterpolo.nl and woaterpoloworld.com are independent from ZVL, as is youtube and NOS (national broadcasting). And lot of sources are in dutch, is that the problem? But then again, for the Spanish teams they are in Spanish? Grasyerba (talk) 10:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Garsyerba, please do add more sources.  The sources can be in Nederlands or in Spanish, they do not need to be in English.   From quick review in Google news and in Google, the team seems notable, there is coverage. -- do  ncr  am  18:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello User talk:Anupmehra. I read your reaction. As per ManchesterWaterpolo: they refer to ZVL Leiden just as "Leiden" in their post of Wednesday 27 November, 2013. It is about last years round. So indeed only mentioned once. Year before ZVL played at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CW_Dos_Hermanas (why is this page ok contrary to the one of ZVL?) which is also mentioned on their page LEN page is indeed very brief. They only mention teams at the tournaments. ZVL also played in the 2011-2012 season LEN in Sevilla As per waterpolo world: You can see that at this moment ZVl is playing play off for the national title A search at google with "ZVl leiden" indeed shows a lot of dutch pages. Also al lot of directions to LEN tournaments. Also this french page Also, if you check out flickr you will find photo's of our teams. All in all there is a lot of documentation to be found. This team is already for a couple of years competiting at the highest level in Holland, and in the top 12 of Europe. They list 5 internationals in their ranks. As mentioned, I see teams on wiki with less information and i do believe they should be here on wiki with other teams that i mentioened before. After all there is a referal on other Wiki page to ZVL as well?. Grasyerba (talk) 08:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Commnet - I'm not sure, if there are some sources in Dutch or Spanish language media, but at least not in English (as per my attempt to find some). There are few sources, provided above by creator of the article. I'll not look up into Wikipedia articles. First source, manchesterwaterpoloclub doesn't even mention ZVL once. Second source, len.eu, is about some game schedule and it does mention ZVL, but only one time. Third source, waterpoloworld.nl is perhaps about the same game, and mentions ZVL twice (definitively, not substantial). Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  00:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - None of the above provided sources are having substantial coverage of the subject to establish notability as per Wikipedia general notability guideline. Creator either, is unaware of Wikipedia notability standard for inclusion or unable to provide any sources to satisfy Wikipedia general notability guideline. This non-notable article should be deleted. Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  22:43, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

 Today ZVL became dutch champion. I do not know what else I can add to this discussion Grasyerba (talk) 23:21, 10 May 2014 (UTC) 
 * Admin Note, the tone of some of the comments in this AFD are pushing the lines of the civility policy. Participants are reminded to assume good faith and not to bite the newbies.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:03, 2 May 2014 (UTC).
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 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 May 11.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 21:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - there seems to be no doubt that this is a top-level team in a recognised sport = notable. There could admittedly be more references, and if Grasyerba stays around (which is probably doubtful after this experience: apologies, Grasyerba) they could doubtless add more, but those already given are adequate (in my view). @Anupmehra, I'm assuming good faith (with some difficulty) but I'm embarrassed on behalf of Wikipedia by your attitude.Eustachiusz (talk) 01:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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