Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zack Shutt (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete -- Y not? 03:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Zack Shutt
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Not notable. No google news hits. One of the two references does not have his name in it. The other is not a news reference. If it is not deleted, it should be a redirect to Geek show podcast. Clubmarx (talk) 00:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Geek show podcast. Not notable in his own right but he is mentioned there so a redirect could help someone finding info about him. Tavix | Talk  01:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Definitely a notable person in Salt Lake. As an earlier user said, he's on the news almost daily hosting a segment. I would say he's recognizable both here and nationwide, as Geek show podcast indicates, over 15,000 downloads (half being nationally) every single week seems to indicate notability outside of the state as well. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skiierdude20 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)  — Skiierdude20 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep Person is notable. Production work with bands that have appeared on Jay Leno and his work with Geek Show Podcast which receives over 15,000 downloads every episode would seem notable to me. - Big402guy
 * Keep With a book being published soon, having accomplished notable things with popular musicians, and growing in prominence in regards to the Geek Show Podcast, it is an article that should be kept. Shadowkhas (talk) 05:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, claims like "he worked with a band that was on Leno" make him twice removed from notability. Future books are rarely notable. And I'm not sure what this image is doing in an AfD, being on the cover of a local weekly doesn't convince me of notability; local notability is not the same thing as wikipedia notability. Hairhorn (talk) 03:53, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep If you want to say that local notability is not the same thing as wikipedia notability then please add these items for deletion consideration: Geek show podcast, Totally Awesome Computers, Dell Schanze, Radio From Hell, Pete Ashdown to name a few. Known in Utah, but not "wikipedia known".  Seems a little silly to be honest...  20:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.169.164.105 (talk)  — 75.169.164.105 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Erm, my reasoning seems to have gone past you. Nowhere did I say that locally notable things are never wikipedia notable. I said they aren't the same; one does not follow from the other. To suggest otherwise would vastly expand wikipedia's understanding of notability. And apart from WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, at least one of those pages should come up for deletion too. Hairhorn (talk) 03:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I would say that this individual is notable. It would be my vote that this entry be kept after looking through some of the content on the page.  Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.225.162 (talk) 18:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC) — 75.149.225.162 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete and redirect to Geek Show Podcast. I can find no evidence of significant coverage by reliable, third party sources as required by the general notability guideline. Everything sourced is either a trivial mention, not independent or not a reliable source - or a combination. A lot of the content is unsourced - and I think unsourcable - and what is isn't about him but the show with which he is associated. I cannot find any additional sources which would establish the individual's notability (by either the general guideline or the people specific guideline) or from which verifiable information could be added to the article. Looking at the content of the article I don't see anything which could be added to Geek Show Podcast or any other article and the article contains unsourced information about a living person so I don't see the advantage of keeping the history if redirected. I do not find the arguments for keeping convincing. 15,000 downloads (or 19,000 as the source says) isn't even a particularly big number to be arguing for an inclusion standard - many youtube videos and channels have order of magnitudes more viewers without them or their creators being considered notable without significant, independent, reliable sourcing. Being notable locally and covered only in local sources is not usually a good indicator of notability, school children who do well in their exams can receive local coverage, that doesn't make them notable. Similar articles may exist, but they are not being considered in this discussion, the topic should meet the various inclusion policies and guidelines on its own merit, it should not be kept purely because other articles exist (as other articles should not be kept/merged/deleted based on the outcome of this discussion). Guest9999 (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.